I made $14 selling my used panties on eBay. See, I got curious about the panty people, as Ive dubbed them, who pawn off their worn undergarments in the adult section of the online auction house. (It was a few Weekly editors, incidentally, who first put me on to the sellers -- and they claim to be working in there with their doors shut!) So I joined the ranks of auctioneers one morning to see how it all worked and who -- if anyone -- would actually cough up hard-earned cash for my old undies. Turns out, not too many. But other panty peddlers were more successful. Six hundred and one this day, to be exact -- more than the Grateful Dead Beanie Bear and A-Team action-figure hawkers combined. And used lingerie is just one of thousands of adult products being flogged on eBay each day.
Beneath the squeaky-clean veneer of the Web site that set out in 1995 with the wholesome intention of unloading Pez dispensers lies a thriving multimillion-dollar backroom business in off-color merchandise. While eBay insists that adult sales represent less than 1 percent of its overall transactions, online porn and auction experts put the percentage higher, somewhere between 1 percent and 5 percent. With eBays gross revenue at roughly $2.8 billion a year, that means up to $140 million in extra cash from Hello Kitty vibrators, remote-control butt plugs and the like.
If [the adult section] were a Web site alone, it would be considered quite successful, judging from the amount of activity it gets, says Mark Dodd, co-founder of AuctionWatch, a San Bruno--based company that tracks online auctions.
EBay denies actively facilitating the adult sections growth. Dan MacKeigan, a senior Internet analyst at Friedman, Billings, Ramsey & Co. Inc. who has shadowed eBay closely, believes the company is embarrassed by its adult site. Especially now that they have a partnership with Disney, he says, referring to the co-branded site eBay.go.com announced February 8 as a way to auction Disney merchandise. They dont make [adult merchandise] easy to find.
Still, eBay certainly hasnt overlooked the fiscal promise of its X-rated category. Offerings are expanding so fast, many sellers report doubling their profits yearly. And while these sales havent exactly rocked the porn industry, Frederick S. Lane, author of Obscene Profits, a study of pornography in the cyber age, feels eBay is quickly displacing adult bookstores as the favored spot to buy used mens magazines. Lane also notes that eBay is part of the broader $2 billion adult e-commerce boom that has wiped out at least half of the existing adult mail-order sales over the last three years.
EBay points out that the company maintains taste standards (used undergarments must be washed and stain-free) and keeps children away by requiring a credit card to access adult auctions. But with 10.35 million different visitors monthly, according to Media Metrix (the leading Internet-use tracking firm), eBay staff concedes its near impossible to monitor all auctions. Nor would a company that bills itself as the worlds leading person-to-person online trading community want to play Big Brother, preferring to rely on customer complaints to police the action. We have 4,300 categories and half a million items added daily. We cant possibly monitor every item, says eBay spokesman Kevin Pursglove. And we dont want to. The idea is to have the users manage the system.
But, as one marketing director at an established adult-video distributor puts it: eBay has become so large, its impossible to police. Once you learn the tricks of the trade, you can get away with a lot. And so the little adult suburb, to some extent, is running itself, and users are making -- and breaking -- the rules.
Sexually explicit material has always appeared on eBay, where the anonymous, voyeuristic nature of the Net has long been recognized as the ideal incubator for porn. But whereas it used to be the stray collectors edition of Playboy or autographed porn-star head shot floating out there in cyberspace alongside antique violin strings and baseball cards, adult sales by 1997 had grown large enough to warrant their own online room. EBay senior PR manager Kristin Seuell says the reasoning was that a separate division would provide a secure category to sell this type of merchandise with a gateway, where minors cant enter. Pursglove adds that the decision was made entirely in response to user complaints. It was an ongoing community discussion, he stresses.
Dave Michaels, senior editor of talk ingblue.com, an online magazine about the adult entertainment industry, is also known as Porno Dave on eBay, where he was one of the first people to sell autographed erotic photos. Michaels says he was instrumental in those early discussions by helping eBay locate objectionable material whose existence had escaped the companys eye. I worked closely with eBay for about two months, sending them hundreds of pages I researched with items that wouldnt be allowed anywhere else on the planet: body parts, vials of semen, underwear with feces on it. They ended up creating . . . what you see now.
Pursglove doesnt remember Michaels specifically, but says: I dont doubt it -- [that process] illustrates how a good number of policies on eBay developed. Especially in the early days, when we were smaller.
Today, eBays little red-light cyberdistrict draws everyone from amateurs to adult-video stores to Video Age, Inc. and Vivid Video, the leading producer of adult films. Many of the bigger players sell discounted products under pseudonyms. Other companies, such as Dannis Hard Drive and Seymore Butts, have caught on and are considering eBay as an auction venue.
With an inventory of 36,562 items last time I checked, merchandise runs the gamut: books, magazines and videos (from the supposedly homemade My drunk ex-wife naked on tape to slicker professional porn or videos advertising imported, nasty, hardcore images). There is clothing, there are sex toys, even odd paraphernalia like pheromone oil concentrate (attracts women like magic!) and curiosities such as the automatic pussy machine (boasting no partner needed). One woman, Mistress Andria, Dominatrix, was last seen auctioning off a slot for a sex slave. And then there are those airing -- or in this case selling -- their dirty laundry.
To find out more about who was stocking, and sampling, eBays adult cyber shelves, I decided to join the sellers. Logging on with a fake user name and a free, anonymous e-mail account (pntygrl), I scanned in photos of my underwear and provided credit-card info, and my three-day auction was up and running. I held my a breath and waited, as if a bidding war would suddenly burst forth onscreen over my cotton briefs. But nothing. I checked back hourly, but still, nothing. And silly as it was, each time the boldface zero popped up beside my auction, I felt a tinge of insult. Perhaps it was the competition, I placated myself -- just look at them.
Other sellers featured glossy, professional color shots of slinky women in risque positions modeling their wares. My auction sported a slightly blurry, crooked photo of my underwear lying neatly on a chair. And the others, they had themes: Stewardess Panties, Used Prom Panties. I hadnt thought Journalists Panties sounded all that enticing, so I had gone with something standard, like soft, white in the description box. One prospective bidder e-mailed me: Maybe you could put a little more info in your description? Makes me curious what your body is like. Fine, dont bid then.
Luke Ford, whose porn-gossip Web site has earned him the title the Matt Drudge of pornography, reassured me over the phone that many of the underwear sellers are, in fact, professional entertainers. Tons of porn stars are making their living that way, he says. They make thousands of dollars a month selling personal belongings and funneling people to their own sites. Dave Michaels agrees, adding, Not many are studentsamateurs like they say. Thats part of the fantasy.
Indeed, its all about the fantasy. Jenna Jameson, the current it girl in porn, uses eBay to sell -- among other things -- audiotapes she records to order for winning bidders. Ill act as if Im having sex with them and say their name . . . or talk about my feet -- whatever they want, she says of the tapes, which go for $1,000 to $2,000 a piece. But it pays my rent -- and I have a very big house.
Other adult businesses push the illusion further. Many used-lingerie auctions I stumbled across turned out to be small cottage industries operating behind a fake composite character (18-year-old-student-who-needs-cash-for-books). One seller, Sarah, was actually a couple; the man and woman (who requested anonymity) provided sophisticated order forms allowing buyers to customize purchases (dottedcottonfull-back? redsatinthong?) They also invited customers to personalize fantasies by instructing Sarah what to do in the underwear before mailing.
Lane, the online-porn researcher, estimates that only 5 percent of the female adult sites are run by individual women; the rest of the panty ladies are marketing fictions devised by cyber pimps.
Arsalan Arif, an economics major at George Washington University by day, says hes the biggest adult-CD-ROM distributor on eBay, with 40 to 50 auctions up at a time. (I have two employees, and all they do all day is sit there and monitor other peoples auctions, so we know.) What started in an upstairs bedroom of his parents house in Wichita, Kansas, during winter break is now a bona fide business incorporated under the name of S&I Records.
We gross $9,000 to $10,000 a month. My primary job used to be asking my parents for money, he says. Now Im able to pay my own tuition.
Arif says that in just the last few months, hes watched eBays adult section shoot up. There used to be four parts to it -- CD, DVD, Photographic and Video. Now there are, like, 17, broken down into specialized categories such as Adult Figurines, Nude Animation, Pinups and Post Cards.
Due to loose policing policies, Dodd explains, adult sellers frequently slip around eBays rules. Most of it is legal, but theres the occasional questionable video with underage actors, he says.
Dodd also says its common to find professionals using eBay as a hook to woo bidders to their own porn sites. In such cases, sellers list just one item on eBay. But inside their auction description, theyll mention that the goods are available immediately on their personal Web sites should the buyer not want to wait five days for the auction to run its course. By getting people to click over, the sellers avoid eBays commission prices.
EBays listing fees are so low -- 25 cents -- its worthwhile to use it as advertising, Dodd says. And on the off chance you sell something, its great.
One dominatrix e-mailed me that she uses this approach to lure people to the S&M dungeon she runs in NYC. (To avoid eBays wrath, she also requested anonymity.) I use [eBay] more as a way to get information to people than actual selling, she says. Its a cheap way to do that, and I link to other Web sites.
And this is just one way sellers take advantage of eBays self-policed cyberuniverse. Most panty auctions had a cleaned per eBay standards disclaimer. But I was told repeatedly, in phone interviews with eBay members, that once the auction is over, buyer and seller make their own arrangements. As one eBay merchant, misterhoward, put it, If youre paying $60 or more for a pair of underwear, do you really want them cleaned? Im confident that there is not one seller on eBay who sells pantiesunderwearjockstraps, where there are suggestive pics, who cleans them before mailing.
Another panty fetishist e-mailed me: I took a gamble and bought some panties from this one girls Web site. They arrived wet, smelly and with a few stray hairs. I was quite happy.
Theres a tremendous amount of overall trust and honesty thats built up, eBays Pursglove says, and with that, a high level of community expectation. So its up to the users to tell us [about violations]. Still, he admits: Were like a large city . . . with people operating on the honor system. Every once in a while youll find someone who wants to push the envelope. And they risk being removed.
Porno Dave has yet to cross that line. But he says many of his competitors sneak adult merchandise into the regular section, to reach customers who dont have credit cards. They do a quick three-day auction and pull it before eBay sees, he says. Go to the regular section and type XXX or porn and see what you get.
He was right: A quick search yielded 303 results. Granted, there were plenty of Super Bowl XXX posters, but also Big Boobs Screen Saver SEXY Nude Adult and XXX stories from Penthouse magazine.
Meanwhile, my own auction had merely hours to go before closing. But still, not a bite. I was relieved -- I had gotten in there and done my research, without ever having to get my hands dirty. But then, with only four minutes to spare, some guy in North Carolina snuck in a bid. I was standing there glaring at my computer screen when the winner e-mailed me a request: Could you please wear them one last time before you mail them to me? Suddenly, I developed a feverish attachment to my old Fruit of the Looms. Id made $14, just enough to buy a fresh pack of panties at Kmart. Id mail him one of those. But the question remained: How to explain the check -- which read Panty Girl -- to the bank teller?
Get the Theater Newsletter
Get a rundown of upcoming theater events and ticket deals in Los Angeles.
More ARTS News
- A New Play Says Aging Is Depressing. Thanks For the Tip
- How Palm Springs Became a Bachelorette Party Destination
- Hal's Move Signals That the Westside's Creative Core Is No Longer Venice — It's Playa...