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YouTube Stars Fight Back

Machinima and Maker Studios, two of YouTube's most high-profile networks, have come under fire from their own talent

As for Vacas, he finally settled his dispute with the company in October and parted ways with Machinima. Today, he's represented by a new organization called Union for Gamers.

Union for Gamers is the brainchild of Donovan Duncan, who's also the vice president for marketing at Curse Gaming, a company that has specialized in video game add-ons and industry news.

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Machinima has attracted millions in capital by appealing to so-called "lost boys,"untouched by traditional advertising.
Machinima has attracted millions in capital by appealing to so-called "lost boys,"untouched by traditional advertising.

"There's a lot of ridiculous contracts out there," Duncan says. "Gaming is something we should support, not hinder by locking people into these really bad contracts, so I came up with the idea of, well, let's build a union for gamers, by gamers."

Everyone in Union for Gamers, Duncan says, would be entitled to the same CPM, which would be raised every year. Gamers no longer would be forced into restrictive contracts — union members would have the right to leave whenever they saw fit.

He promises "resources to help people create better videos," adding, "and we'll do the labor, the administration and ad-serving side, allowing them to monetize their content."

But labor, administration and ad service are essentially what networks like Machinima do. When questioned, Duncan admits that this new "union" is really more like a new network — albeit one with high-minded intentions — and therefore competition for Machinima.

Not coincidentally, it's a network that counts several former Machinima creators among its partners. Its public face, in fact, is none other than Bachir Boumaaza, better known as Athene.

Boumaaza announced the partnership in a video posted two months after he left Machinima.

"I can talk, make videos about how the landscape on YouTube should be, but unless I come with a real alternative, why would other networks listen to what I say?" he asks, sitting in the same spot, shot with the same black-and-white filter used in his video supporting Vacas.

The video appeared on July 17, but Boumaaza was intent on leaving Machinima even earlier. In a video posted in March, a full two months before he denounced Machinima in solidarity with Vacas, Boumaaza posted a video about Union for Gamers.

So Vacas' contract dispute, and Boumaaza's much-publicized support, proved to be great publicity for the new venture. But Duncan insists that Machinima's problems are real. Even without an upstart competitor to fan the flames, the blowback was inevitable.

"The community was already upset that they were getting locked into these contracts, and I come by and say, 'Well, also: It's probably not fair either, guys, you should probably look at that,' and I think that's probably what sparked that off."

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starjonestown
starjonestown

This is Hilarious!  Web slaves...  

Only issue here is that this article is out-of-date.  Most of the VC action has already moved on, at least the smart money.  Google's own supposed channel "investment"  was actually structured like old record-company deals in that their 'artists' had to pay back the parent's seed money.  It's easy to get scammed and these crappy web content producers pay their talent sh*t.    

Cable television money dwarfs this backwater junk.  

Machinima may have $35m...  Even a 5th rate cable brand like Spike makes that look like a children's sandbox.  

SimonFraser4
SimonFraser4

The YouTube network bubble is going to burst. Just as the dot-com bubble burst 12 years ago. If you believe the hype, then you'll be in the bubble when it bursts. Signing a contract because of all the money you think it will bring you IS believing the hype.

YouTube networks are middle men. Middle men only offer lubricant. Which is nice and all, but not necessary.

Collaborate with other content creators, keep making content and keep improving your abilities and your content. And when you enter into a contract with someone who offers you lubricant, remember that they work FOR YOU. You are the client, you are the source of the product. They are the service provider. Therefore, YOU call the shots. If a contract doesn't meet with your approval, don't sign the contract. Otherwise, you're in the bubble.

crmartell
crmartell

I'm an ex-machinima director, who had one of those "perpetuity contracts". Coincidentally I said many of the same things in my video as appearing in this article. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOPEYYm_Z-0 The situation looks really dark, but I do have a solution, if the community would just embrace it. Anyone interested should check out my video. 

edohiguma
edohiguma

So basically Vacas signed the contract and read the fine print afterwards. And that with Machinima, which has been known to be itchy, at best, for a while. Good gods. One of the first things I learned in my life was not to do that. Always read everything. Always.

As for this: "Can networks like Machinima and Maker sustain their rapid growth if the creators on whose backs they built their businesses revolt?"

Simple answer is no. Even without the creator revolt unlimited growth is impossible.

krystaBlade
krystaBlade

I just started a YouTube Channel and in less than two months it has over 1500 Subs so I just do not understand why you need an Network Anyway???

HaasGaming
HaasGaming

@krystaBlade Varied reasons. With gaming it is a pretty simple one; licensing. You can't monetize most gaming content (Exceptions exist; e.g. the popular game called Minecraft) without licensing and specific networks provide this. There's a lot more to it though. 

cobrachoppergirl
cobrachoppergirl

This guy is an idiot.  All he has to do is ignore the contract and release videos uner a new pseudonym anonymously.   F your contract.  Contracts can be broken and better yet... ignored.   The US government does it all the time...   just ask the Native Americans... how binding contracts are.

Style101
Style101

Crazy how about working with Blip.tv or Maybe Openfilm.com or they just as evil 

310kidd
310kidd

I think these users would do great creating their own Live content on sites like Stickam.com. It will be a way to get closer to fans and answer questions on the spot. Maybe even find new ways to fangate new users.

invadermak97
invadermak97

I would have been starting my youtube channel in a few days, but this is disheartening and has caused me to reconsider even trying.

HaasGaming
HaasGaming

@invadermak97 Keep in mind these are, in large part, anomalies. I've been partnered with a network (Maker Studios, part of TheGameStation) for a good year now without any complaints thus far. I wouldn't let these problems dissuade you from starting something if you really want it, just be careful - in everything you do - what you sign up for. That being said, it's a lot of work so be prepared to spend a lot of time and you'll need quite a bit of patience! 

chilltowntv
chilltowntv

Agree with you also, @kati.morton  I'm just starting my channel and it's an overwhelming thing to do in general. This definitely is a lot of food for thought...

kati.morton
kati.morton

Thank you for writing this article. It's very interesting for a smaller Youtube creator like myself to see what is going on with MCN's at Youtube...

ryanthomaswoods
ryanthomaswoods

@kati.morton Completely agree with you kati! It was so informative for us as smaller youtube creator's to know what to expect as well as give us an inside look at what is going on.

networkfree
networkfree

From what I can tell, these networks are realizing that their business models are flawed in that they do not own any of the content or the distribution. Even while "owning" a creator's YouTube channel, the networks are actually just renting the channel from YouTube. It's a flawed model when the intent is to add another layer to YouTube's business model. See: Zynga + Facebook.

richardstarr
richardstarr

This also reminds me of the type of contracts still prevalent in the comic book industry.  Greats like Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko have had their work attributed to Stan Lee who acted as the front man for Marvel comics.  Newsflash, the editor of a masterpiece is not the artist and I've never seen any evidence that Lee was anything other than an editor.

In any case, the work from the geniuses of the past have become the "property" of Marvel comics continuing industry "practice" of DC comics who took Superman from Siegel and Schuster when they thought they were only selling the individual STORY instead of the CHARACTER.

The creation of Image comics gave independent creators a venue to produce comics and still retain the rights while giving the company distributing them a fair share.  They need something like this in the YouTube world to help keep the "suits" from stealing from yet another generation.

The open ended contracts and options still exist, to a lesser extent, in the music industry.  You have the rappers getting rich not from their own music, but from the artists they sign, following the pattern of exploitation that they were often the victims of. 

chvyvele
chvyvele

@richardstarr Stan Lee wrote and edited the comic books for all of the characters that he is credited for creating. Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby were artists who helped shaped the story and the characters, but Lee was often the one to create the stories and dialogue. Ditko and Kirby are almost always given credit for co-creating characters.

richardstarr
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@chvyvele @richardstarr  

No, Stan Lee is given credit for stuff he did not do.  If you read Jack Kirby's book you will have a better grasp of this.  Too much credit is often assigned to the wrong people.  I'm not say Stan had zero contributions, but for something like the Fantastic Four he would say, "Give me a superhero story based on the 4 elements (fire,water,earth,air) and Jack created the Fantastic Four.  Lee would then modify some of the script Jack created, but did not come up with the story himself.  The credit he takes, now that so many are dead and unable to gainsay him, is far more than he deserves.

 Take a look at the output Lee did after Jack left, and look at what Jack continued to do from that point on at DC.  Kirby was a genius, Lee was a hanger on.  Without the real artists, Lee created nothing.  Credit was only begrudgingly given at times, often after law suits.  Kirby signed away much of his rights to recover his artwork.  Actually, only a portion of it, which was rightfully his.

If there was any justice Kirby would have ended up owning Marvel, but that was not to be.

 
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