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LAUSD Rubber Rooms Crowd Up

Denials and confessions by those in teacher jail

Special-ed teacher Collier says Deasy, who has clashed repeatedly with the huge, 35,000-member United Teachers Los Angeles, is on a witch hunt to "thin the ranks of high-paid teachers."

Deasy denies this. But he does say, proudly, that more certificated employees are being fired for misconduct then ever, in a district where firings have been rare.

Deasy says that 96 certified employees, mostly teachers, were fired in 2011-2012.

Explains Deasy. "If there is suspected wrongdoing, we separate the employee [from the students], and then we investigate. Do [we] err on the side of safety? Darn right."

Holmquist concedes that innocent teachers have "been pulled" from their classrooms and then returned "with apologies." But, he says, "If the safety of our students is No. 1, we have to act like it."

California state laws are stacked heavily against firing teachers. A 2012 law by state Sen. Alex Padilla designed to more easily fire teachers who commit sexual, physically abusive or drug-related acts with students, Senate Bill 1530, went down in flames when four Democrats, fearing the power of the California Teachers Association and UTLA, infamously declined to vote, thus killing the bill.

Thanks to existing law, it costs LAUSD $500,000 in legal fees and salaries to oust a teacher who decides to fight back. It can cost up to $1.6 million to fire a single teacher.

In the rubber room in Reseda, most employees willing to talk said the charges against them were trumped up, or that they didn't know why they were there.

But one teacher seemed to have a pretty good case. She showed L.A. Weekly an Oct. 31 letter from her principal that stated, in part, "The conclusion of my investigation is that the allegation made by the parents is unsubstantiated." But she's still in the rubber room.

"I would have done the same thing that my principal did," the teacher says, because a parent accused her of spanking a preschool student, which is against state law. But the student and witnesses denied the student was spanked, according to the principal's letter. "I should've been here two days," the frustrated teacher said.

Of course, not every teacher in teacher jail is wrongly accused. Clay Geilfuss, 66, a kindergarten teacher, admits to improperly spanking a very young student "out of frustration." Says Geilfuss, "I blew it. ... Nobody's perfect. To think that teachers are beyond reproach is silly."

He'd like more counseling for stressed-out teachers. "In the past, if something had gotten to the principal, it would've been handled at his level. Now it's like the big shots are trying to micromanage things."

But the old way in LAUSD allowed horrible people who never should have been near children to remain in classrooms for years.

For now, it seems, the LAUSD rubber rooms will do a brisk business.

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mka123088
mka123088

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3owTITgjJbM

The Los Angeles Unified School District has taken hundreds of teachers out of their classrooms over the past few years under allegations of misconduct or child-abuse. However, little to none of these accusations have been verified, and many of the teachers have been held in limbo for over a year without any explanation or due process of law.

This stalling tactic is used to remove any teacher who becomes problematic to the agenda of maximizing the profits of the privatized school and prison industrial complex. This means any teacher who is making too much money, becoming too politically active and best of all; educating children.

https://www.facebook.com/LausdTheSchoolToPrisonPipeline

simonsezdonothing
simonsezdonothing

@mka123088Lmao what a poorly made video. 1) Where's the audio? 2) You throw off 2 Statistics in the video that aren't corroborated by any sources whatsoever (unlike the LaWeekly one, and LaTimes one). So far there has been no evidence that proves that these high number of misconduct cases represent false claims. If there is I should would like to read about it. Remember as mentioned below by another user, the unions have the ability to stretch these cases for many years before the "truth" is found, they deliberate stretch, so that the victims cannot sustain this legal claim all the way through.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/29/local/la-me-1130-lausd-audit-20121130

spacequestfan
spacequestfan

"Everyone gets due process – even the guilty ones.Taxpayers also pay for public defense of murderers, rapists and gang members."

Everyone? Now you're just lying. Not really in teacher misconduct cases, the victim i.e. the child rarely gets due process. Although every school is required to give everybody due process this is hardly the case. They have complete discretion in these matters to do as they please since there is no outside force investigating them. They can and often do coverup wrongdoing and rig things in their favor.This is why A LOT of misconduct cases often go to legal court as the school administrators often deny accountability for anything that happened or totally coverup any wrongdoing. Any legal representation for the child comes at their family's expenses while all of the money for accused teachers comes out of the TAXPAYERS money who can tie up these cases for years. It's a complete joke and sham. 

Even in the event where an outside force is contacted like the Teacher's commission that also usually results in nothing because again they have total discretion and power, and nobody can challenge that-except in legal court-which again the victim usually pays out of pocket and is at a complete disadvantage (which the teacher's union are fully aware off and are happy about it).

I have a legal case going on right now against my former university.  They've denied me due process in blatant fashion: denying me meetings, not conducting any investigations whatsoever. I've even got witness statements from people who have observed said conduct, and they were never called.

Then I received a letter from Vice President of Student Affairs saying they "concluded their investigation" and found no evidence when they never did an investigation. It's so unreal it's not even funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra-CLi1hus8&feature=youtu.be


"I’m not sure how you would know that.A lot of the NY rubber room cases get dismissed."

I wouldn't say A LOT. I've read the articles.

 

CAMaestro
CAMaestro

spacequestfan:  No room for falsely accused teachers, eh?  We might as well get rid of the idea that people are innocent until proven guilty. It is well known that the rubber rooms in New York are convenient places to send teachers who are whistle-blowers or otherwise difficult for political reasons - it gets them out of the principal's hair, and they can be held there indefinitely, meanwhile the city gets to blame the whole thing on the unions.

spacequestfan
spacequestfan

@CAMaestro You might as well since the system is rigged where the guilty ones (the teacher) gets all the benefits of the doubt and even gets a lawyer and a whole union to protect him ALL AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE. Hmm what does the abused child or student get? Hmmm answer me that one? I know you won't be able to with an honest answer? I'll answer it for you. They get ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. We all know school administrators rarely blow the whistle on anybody. It's under the most abusive case-Child Molestation and physical abuse where the child gets FINALLY some representation, and by then of course it's out of the school's protection (coverup) as is it then becomes a criminal matter.  Please the statistics for these misconduct cases don't support your claims at all of someone false accused. Very few of them are falsely accused if any. and no NY isn't known for whistleblowing please.

CAMaestro
CAMaestro

“gets all the benefits of the doubt and even gets a lawyer and a whole union to protect him ALL AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE.”

It’s called living in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty.Everyone gets due process – even the guilty ones.Taxpayers also pay for public defense of murderers, rapists and gang members.

“Very few of them are falsely accused if any.”

I’m not sure how you would know that.A lot of the NY rubber room cases get dismissed.

“and no NY isn't known for whistleblowing please.”

Google “rubber room whistle blower”.Also google Francesco Portelos and read up on his story.

spacequestfan
spacequestfan

If you're in the rubber room, you are there for a reason. So many pitiful excuses, and you know the best part? NO ONE BELIEVES YOU. The unions protects pedophiles and bad teachers all the time. The union works at the behest of the teacher not the child. YOU PEOPLE WILL NEVER LEARN.

resedaman
resedaman like.author.displayName 1 Like

I am in the rubber room though now "housed at home".

LAUSD's in incompetence  and cruelty to an employee of 30 years with a great record is stunning, here's what happened:

Last February I was removed from my classroom in the middle of the day with little explanation. After two months of worry and anguish  I met with the Principal and was informed of the "charges". I denied them verbally and in writing and heard nothing till the following October at which point I was given a "notice of unsatisfactory act" and an 15 day suspension, with no response to my denial, my guilt was just assumed though no evidence was produced.  A month later I was "invited" to a "Skelly hearing", where consideration of my dismissal was to take place. It was made clear that the LAUSD representatives not only didn't believe me but had little familiarity of my case or my explanation. Finally though two weeks later after one letter from me and one from my UTLA rep, LAUSD FINALLY agreed to do a thorough investigation of facts... after 9 months!!!!

Now almost a year later I sit at home and wait. I love teaching and especially the kids and the written record of my career shows great success. I realize the reader doesn't know me or have any reason to believe in my innocence though my UTLA rep told me if they had something I wouldn't be collecting a salary. Over the years children have on occasion made a false charge out of anger in which case I was ASKED what happened and in the absence of evidence plus my reputation it was put away. When I think back 30 years ago of putting myself through CSUN to be a teacher this is the LAST thing I ever thought would happen. 

Finally the people running the rubber room are mean and condescending. We were told we couldn't talk to each other, computers are forbidden, we were treated as if we were children.

55tom55
55tom55

want the world to know the day i truly began hating black people was theday jamie foxx appeared on snl...watched it today dec 9 2012...they arethe scum of the earth... no more doors held no more thank yous no morefavors i'm going to try and get every black man fired at work and if ibecome boss i'll never hire a black unless i'm forced to...scum...theentire planet would be better without them!

spacequestfan
spacequestfan

@55tom55 What a dumb racist you just embarrassed yourself. God help the sucker who employs you!!!

ValleyParent
ValleyParent like.author.displayName 1 Like

Housing teachers like this is wrong on so many levels, it's hard to know where to start. But the biggest problem I have is that a teacher who has been accused is subject to arbitrary behavior by his or her principal, principal's boss, and other administrators all the way up the food chain to Deasy. You all likely read about the teacher who sat in a room for almost a year before the principal even had HIS meeting with her, simply because he did not know how to craft a memo correctly!!!! These "secret committees" do not catch monsters - - monsters are charged by the criminal justice system and they are allowed to get a lawyer. And monsters are not going to be "caught" by fifteen or more administrators, passing a file around. You cannot bureaucratize common sense.

georgebuzzetti
georgebuzzetti

Sirvaldrin,

The California Penal Codes for child abuse are 11163-11174.3.  To see the rules for teacher credentialing just go to the website for California Teacher Credentialing and they are all there.  They cannot take the credential of a teacher, as that is a property right, unless there is a conviction or a court declaration of insanity as it should be.  There is supposed to be due process which does not exist at LAUSD.  There are supposed to be the declarations under penalty of perjury, Skelly Hearing, presentation of facts, ability to contradict the districts claims, a judging of some kind by a knowledgable and considerate individual or group.  This does not exist, in fact, the process is illegally operated with full knowledge of the General Counsel, Holmquist, Superintendent, Deasy and Board President, Garcia.  Two of these Penal Codes directly apply to them.  If a mandated reporter does not report the potential child abuse situation within 36 hours to social services, the local police not the school police, or the local sheriffs department they are guilty of a misdemeanor criminal violation with penalties of up to 6 months in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.  If a anyone interferes in an investigation of child abuse they are also guilty of a misdemeanor criminal violation with the same penalties as above.  A lot of administrators should be charged, tried and if convicted pay the penalty and lose their job.  It is my understanding that if someone give the police a "False Police Report" that is a crime with potential jail time with a conviction.  How about enforcing existing law?  We are not asking for new law just enforce existing law.

Falsely accused teachers we are with you.  I had this situation audited by the California State Auditor in 1997.  My research started in about 1995 when teachers started coming to me with these documented stories.  That is how we obtained the audit which is Oct. 1997, 96121.  We need to realize that there are bad teachers who need to be investigated and if found guilty for real proceed through due process.  At the same time there is no doubt that many are falsely accused for a variety of reasons which should have no standing in a legal process with someones life and career on the line.  We are supposed to have something called justice.

lausdprisoner
lausdprisoner

This is Deasy's LAUSD: Facts don't matter. The principal documents the teacher is innocent. So Deasy sends the "case" downtown where a "committee" confirms her innocence and unanimously recommends the teacher be returned to the classroom. Deasy then removes the case from the committee and forces the principal to issue a Notice of Unsatisfactory Act, Suspension and the initiation of dismissal proceedings (which means automatic dismissal despite the facts) for a non incident the principal him/herself has documented was a non incident.

Facts don't matter.

I was charged with a false, hearsay allegation. The police told me it was hearsay from kids not even in my class. They completely dismissed the case as without merit. LAUSD stuck with the hearsay. They have the statement of the child involved (according to the false hearsay) which totally contradicts the hearsay. LAUSD sticks with the hearsay.

Facts don't matter.

Deasy is bragging about firing clearly innocent teachers. Hundreds of them.

Facts don't matter.

An angry student accuses a teacher. A month or two later, the student issues a written apology saying he/she lied, that he/she was angry. Deasy orders the principal to issue (or not retract) the Unsatisfactory Act, Suspension and dismissal proceeding (which means dismissal) anyway.

Facts don't matter. Heil Deasy.

sirvaldrin2002
sirvaldrin2002 topcommenter

"Deasy denies this. But he does say, proudly, that more certificated employees are being fired for misconduct then ever, in a district where firings have been rare." If lausd wasn't such a screwed up organization, many of those losers would have been fired quickly. Deasy hasn't done squat. He is only fixing things because he is embarrassed by the system he keeps defending while making us our as the bad guy.

sirvaldrin2002
sirvaldrin2002 topcommenter

Once again a poorly written article by a teacher hating newspaper. How about showing us the laws or at least linking them so we can see how hard it is to fire teachers? According to your comments, you keep stating that the rubber rooms are expensive making it seem like the teachers there who may be innocent. I've heard and have seen kids straight out lie about teachers to get them in to trouble. Kids lie and so do adults.

 
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