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Molly Munger's Prop. 38 Is Spoiling Jerry Brown's Prop. 30. She's Not Sorry.

Her husband Steve English and the Advancement Project fuel her toughness

"Proposition 30 is about debt," Romero says, "and it's on the ballot because of a dysfunctional Legislature that can't pass a budget with a two-thirds vote. The whole thing is a charade, and we continue to do budgeting by the ballot box."

Parent Revolution executive director Ben Austin, a player in education reform, who backs California's "parent trigger" law, charter schools and other innovations, usually is a close ally of Romero's. But he believes Proposition 30 will prevent major cuts to public schools. "We're supporters of both measures," he says, "but in a pragmatic way, Proposition 30 has a better chance of winning."

Jerry Brown's $6 billion to $8.5 billion tax measure has been hurt by his team's amateurish and self-inflicted mistakes.
PHOTO BY NANETTE GONZALES
Jerry Brown's $6 billion to $8.5 billion tax measure has been hurt by his team's amateurish and self-inflicted mistakes.
Molly Munger and Steve English, at home in Pasadena: "We have a particular responsibility to give back," he says.
PHOTO BY NANETTE GONZALES
Molly Munger and Steve English, at home in Pasadena: "We have a particular responsibility to give back," he says.

Many folks focused on California's failing schools or classroom budget cuts don't care which measure wins — as long as one becomes law. Pasadena Unified School District board member Ed Honowitz is pulling for both, but for the long haul he favors Munger's initiative, which guarantees billions to schools over a 12-year period.

"It will have a much more significant impact on stabilizing finances and better funding education, which is something we always worry about," Honowitz says. "If neither of them pass, the impacts will be frightening."

But Wilcox, the Republican consultant, says that would be a good thing.

"If both lose, as I expect, then we might see the return of the 'real' Jerry Brown," Wilcox says. "I would be hopeful that the failures would unleash creativity, bold thinking and nontraditional coalitions — and Jerry Brown is as likely as anybody to lead those efforts. That would come more naturally to the governor than his desperate blackmail campaign that says, 'Raise your taxes — or the kids and students get it.' "

At a wooden conference table in the Echo Park offices of the Advancement Project, Munger sits down to explain her vision. No personal assistant or press aide is attending her, although she has both. She speaks without notes, and with a perpetual smile that seems to work as a shield when questions get too personal.

"This isn't about me," Munger says. "It's not about Jerry Brown the person. It's about the governor but in a more abstract way."

"I try to ignore it," she says of the increasingly conflict-oriented media coverage of the two competing tax measures. "Totally, I just try to ignore it."

Joel Fox is a mild-mannered Republican fiscal expert and anti-tax advocate who is chairman of the No on 30 campaign, president of the Small Business Action Committee and a blogger at FoxAndHoundsDaily.com. He's also, interestingly, an admirer of Molly Munger, whom he met through his friend Connie Rice.

As a conservative, Fox opposes Munger's ballot-box tax but thinks it's more coherent than Brown's. He finds Munger so interesting, in fact, that he has asked her to speak to his state and local government class at Pepperdine University.

"She is up against the California establishment — a sitting governor, the most powerful unions in the state and the Democratic majority machine," Fox says. "She has stood up against the machine, and I think this is just the beginning. I believe that even if she doesn't succeed this time — I don't know how deep her pockets go — she will be back. Remember, Howard Jarvis tried three times before the voters approved Proposition 13 [property tax reform]. Trying again is a California right."

Reilly T. Bates also contributed to this story.

Contact Patrick Range McDonald at pmcdonald@laweekly.com.

**An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated that persons earning $1 million would pay $77,000 in new taxes.

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josephlinglee
josephlinglee

I am vote NO to P 30 and P38, they are both the same as far as I am concern!  How much is ILLEGALs costing California for health, social, education again?  Come on Californian, you are smarter than that, Legal Californian can't afford college tuition because of their education funds are funneling to ILLEGALs.   The politians are pandering to those groups that are stupid enough to allow their ILLEGALs into our states to compete with their earlier arrivals and our youngs from summer jobs that can go toward their college funds!  Why don't BROWN and our law makers try cutting spending and insist on increasing taxes, they are just lazy and we most Californian are stupid enough to agree and guess who they are?  California is going to down the sh=t hole by raising taxes to their citizen and businesses as we was once the Banking, Aero Space, Automotive leaders in the world but now they are all somewhere else....

georgebuzzetti
georgebuzzetti

I agree,  Obama is merely the lesser of two devils.  Therefore, I have to hold my nose and vote for him.  I say "I put on a gas mask for Obama and a nuclear haz mat suit for the republicans."  Not saying much good about either side.  Just one devil is much worse than the other.  If you think it is bad now what if McCain-Palin were in?????????

abramsrl
abramsrl

Great article!   There is a flaw underlying both Prop 30 and Prop 38. The assumption that the problem is lack of money is probably false.   Also, if Prop 38, which sounds like the better Proposition from the narrow viewpoint that it stops money from going directly to the General Fund, passes, all the other sources of funding education will decrease. 

 

The net impact on school funding is likely to be Zero under Prop 38.   Prop 30 will be a windfall for corrupt developers since Steinberg has devoted his political career to giving as much public money to corrupt developers as possible.   On the other hand, being supported by Dick Riordan, whose latest endeavor is Step One in the Privatization of Social Security, makes one feel there's got to be some plot to divert the money to real estate developers. 

 

That's been Riordan's answer to everything.   Here's where people will hate me.  I know what causes bad schools.  Bad students cause bad schools. 

 

I know it is 100% un-PC, but the basic problem is bad students.  You can lead a bad student to school with a $1 Million leash, but he/she still won't learn.  You can pay the teacher as if he were a corrupt LA Councilman ($178,000+ per year) and give the Teach a similar support staff, and L.A. education will still be 47th or drop to 48th or even 53th behind Guam and Puerto Rico.  The relationship is immutable Bad Students Create Bad Schools and Good Students Create Good Schools.  The funding is irrelevant.  

 

No proposition will stop the causation: Bad Students Create Bad Schools!

markw
markw

As someone who is in favor of both Prop 30 and Prop 38 but prefers Prop 30 (and doesn't like having to choose between them), I'll be voting yes on 30. I'll be leaving my vote for Prop 38 blank, and I'll wait until the next time it appears on the ballot to vote for it.

jstewart2
jstewart2 editor

If Jerry Brown's tax fails -- a tax he never intended to write, but was forced into during the compromise with the extremely demanding California Federation of Teachers -- will he come back with his original idea that the CFT forced him to abandon? Or will it be like Arnold's Props. 1A through 1F, whose temporary huge taxes failed -- then vanished in the wind? -- Jill Stewart

abramsrl
abramsrl

 @jstewart2 It's a good question and I don't have a clue to its answer.  I do know that any time Darrel Steinberg has influence, the theft of public funds is just around the corner.  According to this article, if I read it correctly, Prop 30 is about schools for one year and then it is an increased tax for everything.

 

If Brown had said, "We need to raise taxes to fund many government services," he would have credibility, but instead he listened to Steinberg and he has tried to lie his way to a tax increase.  I know that higher taxes are not bad, but when ihis Proposition 30 is shrouded in lies and husbanded long by Darrell Steinberg, I know that no good can come from it.

 

Molly Munger helps establish my new hypthesis that being a billionaire causes feeble mindedness.

 

 

angryhippie
angryhippie

Gee, for such a long winded article there are some serious factual omissions.  For example, Prop. 38 raises taxes even on low income earners, but the tax increase for the super wealthy is only 2.2%.  Governor Brown's Prop. 30 raises sales tax 1/4 percent, which does impact low income groups, but raises income tax only on the wealthiest, and hits the super wealthy with a 3% hike.  Gee, a proposition literally written by the super wealthy that saves the super wealthy .7% on their taxes?  Is it that blatantly simple?  You'll never know by reading this article.  Jill Stewart, right wing mole, strikes again!  Well played, Jill.

Katy
Katy

Nicely written article that puts it all in perspective. This is a strange ballot with huge discrepancies.

Another one is Prop 37, started by another woman with a mission, this time a rather poor grandmother from Chico, Pamm Larry, who was tired of trying to find healthy food for her grandchildren and set out to write a ballot measure and get labeling on genetically modified food that her pediatrician had indicated was responsible for many childhood allergies and diseases.

She was too naive to believe she couldn't do it on a shoestring. 977,000 Californians signed the petition and it's on the ballot. Proposition 37 says simply that genetically modified food shall be labeled. Nothing more. Now three huge out of state corporations, Monsanto, Syngenta and Bayer are fighting her proposition tooth and nail and are spending over a million and a half dollars per day. The Yes on 37 side has nothing but volunteers. Learn about why labeling is important to your health choices here:

www.geneticroulettemovie.com

anonymous
anonymous

 @Katy

 your first two paragraphs might be correct - I don't know - but although Ms Larry's pediatrician might have told her that genetically modified food is harmful, that has simply never been shown to be the case, in any way. So if he or she said that, they were either wrong or lying.

Furthermore, although none of us trust the Prop 37 backers, I don't think Joe Mercola is a "volunteer" - he's a shameful opportunist quack who is funding the anti-prop 37 effort. It's hard to know who to trust.

(Sorry for going off-topic).

- A pediatrician.

Rocklobster
Rocklobster

I don't agree with either Proposition, but commend Munger's decision to take some action--any action--to try and make things better, and to bypass Sacramento.  She could be soaking herself in alcohol at a beach resort, or holding tea parties.  Her involvement is what California is all about. Same with Riordon. Good for them both.  

 

The Schools have enough money, but tying the money raised to the schools--not the black hole that is the general budget--was a great idea. And you'll see it again, from voters who are "beyond pissed off" that their roads and schools suffer while Union clerks walk away with a pension no one else has.

 

 

 

 

thetildog
thetildog

I applaud Munger for taking on Brown with her initiative, however I wish Munger would spend her money for a ballot initiative to make our State legislators part-time employees.  This would partially take them off the teat of taxpayers and force them to have a real job back home in the district they represent where they would be in touch with real people.  It would also force the lobbyists to travel all over the State to get politicians to do their bidding rather than having them conveniently in one location.  And best of all, the legislators wouldn't have so much time figuring out ways to spend our money on their pet projects.  They would be forced to be more focused on taking care of the basics. 

abramsrl
abramsrl

 @thetildog There re no simple solutions.  A fool and his money are soon parted.  The sole solution to a corrupt government is an informed citizenry.  Angelenos prefer ignorance, bigotry and racism and are clueless about how they are being ripped off in both Sacramento and Los Angeles.  They think it is all the illegal aliens from Jalisco who come to vote for all Mexicans on the City Council like Dinero Zino.

 

 

rightactions
rightactions

Steve English and Molly Munger have much, much much higher incomes and wealth than 99.999% of Californians already being squeezed by the likes of them for taxes.

 

If they want to "give back" they can unload a couple bil' outta their own pockets first.  Set an example.  But nooooo they want California's schooled but ignorant to slit their own wrists...

 

Wealth tax NOW!

bhenning32
bhenning32

 @rightactions All I can say is that BOTH of Charlie Mungers Children better Pray that the Apple Fell Miles from the Tree. Ever take a Gander at Charlie Munger and have a good listen to him. Geeeeeezzzzz, He is ONE CREEPY FELLER, All the money in the world isn`t enough to BUY That Ammount of Creepiness off of you.I hope his meddlesome NON ALTRUISTIC Daughter ends up looking and sounding just like Daddy. Thats the STUFF Movies are made of.

dgabbard
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Why no scrutiny of her crusade when from almost the get-go the polling show it wouldn't pass? And how about all the folks advising her and making a fortune off this thing? Having Riordan and Rice as your bone fides given their dubious backgrounds is all I need to know this lady is out to lunch. Thanks, Molly, for proving the rich can be real obtuse!

jim61773
jim61773

@LAWeekly oh boo hoo hoo, Munger should have stepped aside, Prop. 30 is the better deal

DaveInSoCal
DaveInSoCal like.author.displayName 1 Like

What Telluride said.

 

My wife and I are both successful, but that is not a "blessing" and it's not something that someone magically bestowed upon us.  It's a result of DECADES of hard work, effort and an investment of our time and money.  Thanks, but we already "give back" by paying a higher tax rate than the poor and middle class. 

 

We already pay enough, Sacramento.  Instead of coming to us taxpayers for more money to pay for their years of overspending and overpromises to the state worker unions, why don't you look at cutting back (or eliminating) some of those 500+ state and county bureaus, agencies, boards and commissions that always seem to remain untouched whenever budget crises loom.

abramsrl
abramsrl

 @DaveInSoCal  without knowing who you are, we cannot evaluate how you made your money.  Most money made in the last 40 years is the result of corruption, especially since the perversion of the California Supreme Court   Just because people work hard at being a crook doesn't make them virtuous. That's Mitty's delusion.

DaveInSoCal
DaveInSoCal

 @abramsrl Unfortunately, the liberal mindset is that successful people could only have gotten that way by corruption, by taking advantage of someone somewhere or by outright theft.  Someone working hard for that income doesn't seem to register.  And I wasn't aware that my income had to be "evaluated" for acceptability.

 

The idea that a couple would self-fund (no gov't grants or loans) educations in practical sciences (i.e. engineering & medicine) and then work hard to advance in their respective fields (via competence, not cronyism) seems to be an alien concept to the majority of those on the Left.  According to one poster here, a family making $250K in a high tax and high cost of living state like CA is considered to be "super wealthy".  That'll be surprising news to many CA small business owners.  It's certainly news to my wife and I.

 

But by all means keep up the class warfare on the "super wealthy" and in just a few short years, the majority of them will likely have departed to other, friendlier states (e.g. Texas) leaving CA residents and politicians to squabble over ever declining tax revenues.

abramsrl
abramsrl

 @DaveInSoCal  I am not on the Left.  I've been fortunate enough to both have a trust fund and to have inherited enough integrity to work.  I get to see the corruption from the inside.  Just try to name a politician whose not a crook or even an judge who isn't on a leash held by some millionaire or billionaire.

 

There was a time when people earned their money, but over the last 40 to 30 years since Equity Funding, the great transfer of wealth is corruption based.  The repeal of Glass-Steagall turned a steady stream of corruption into a devastating flood.

bhenning32
bhenning32

 @DaveInSoCal  Hey Dave just thought I would throw in my two cents here. Most of what you voiced about politics. That being said, my family and I resided in So Cal for decades. We used to love it there.We finally tired of all the unseemly Garbage that Los Angeles has become known for, but the real deciding factor in our move was the Selfish, Self Righteous, arrogant, egotistical Blowhards like YOU who feel they have done enough. The type of people who resent that their Property Taxes are used for Public Schools and their Children Attend Private Schools. Unless you made your money on Mars or some other Planet then you haven`t done enough. Get over yourself and rid your self of your resentments by doing things for good people in bad circumstances. Quit thinking about yourself first and always, it will feel great, a little akward at first but great in the end. I`m also glad I left before the USC Trojans turned into an embarrassment.

DaveInSoCal
DaveInSoCal

 @bhenning32 So people saying that they don't want to pay new taxes makes them "Selfish, Self Righteous, arrogant, egotistical Blowhards"?  Seriously?  Please note that nowhere did I say my wife and I shouldn't pay what we're currently paying or ask for our taxes to be lowered.  I merely expressed the opinion that the people in Sacramento should address their overspending problems by making cuts in their existing spending rather than looking to my wife and I as a source of additional revenue.  But I'm one of those silly people who think that a person's earned income actually belongs to them rather than to the state.  Clearly, you do not.

 

And I'm happy to demolish your class-warfare strawman, because both of our children attended public school all the way up through high school.  And the one child that wanted to pursue college is attending Community College now and will be attending a local UC or CalState school when they are ready to transfer.  No pricey private schools for this family like many of the liberal elites in CA  seem to favor.

 

You know, one of the things I truly despise about CA is the overabundance of sanctimonious people like yourself who somehow feel themselves to be qualified to be the sole arbiters of "how much tax paid is enough".

 

And thanks for clarifying that you left CA.  Unless you moved to NY, NJ or MA (the three states with higher taxes than CA), you are no doubt writing your comment from a state with a lower tax burden than those of us still here in CA are facing.  And yet you feel somehow entitled to lecture people like my wife and I from the comfort of your lower tax state that we "haven`t done enough".  Hypocritical much?

 

You asked me to "Quit thinking about yourself first and always".  Maybe you should quit thinking that your opinions have any relevance or legitimacy.  Frankly, your two cents aren't worth the pixels they're written on.

georgebuzzetti
georgebuzzetti like.author.displayName 1 Like

I and many others I know have already voted against any measure which wants money meaning 30,38 and Measure J.  Until the banking regulations are put back into place which were removed by the signing of the 1999-2000 Banking Deregulation Acts by Bill Clinton and combined with the 1996 Telecommunications Act which removed a "Real Free Press" nothing can really improve.

 

Connie Rice while she was on the LAUSD so called Citizens Bond Oversight Committee helped to throw away billions of dollars.  That fund is $27 billion.  I can show with their own records and that of the state that they have spent 2-3 times the average for school construction.  No matter how many times we presented this information they, including Connie Rice, did not care.  They porked their contractor friends.  After I produced my spreadsheet on school construction costs in 2003 the committee stopped printing the financial numbers: property acquisition, design, construction and other which is what it takes to finish a new school with things like desks, printers, gym equipment and such.  While LAUSD was stating they were spending $175/sq.ft. for middle schools and $200/sq.ft. for high schools it was actually $218-654/sq.ft.  This is for an average of about $350/sq.ft or double their stated costs.  Do you think this is an accident?  Now all you see is a pretty color book with only the total cost.  What a joke and she calls herself a civil rights lawyer.

 

Gloria Romero is really a right wing republican with her stances on education with the DFER.  You can hear her press conference uncut at George1la.  Watch her and the others there choke when we ask serious questions.  If you believe in "Real Public Education" do not listen to a thing she says. 

 

Think about how much money is at stake.  K-12 general fund in the U.S. is over $700 billion.  The Federal Department of Defense this year is $642 billion.  Where is the big money that has yet to be fully raped?  Well, why do you think all this action by Michelle Rhee's Student First which I call Students Last is going on?  You can also see her uncut in L.A. at George1la.  I believe in full disclosure.  If you want to see the real story about the fraud in the LAUSD construction program go to fulldisclosure.net. 

 

These people do not care about public education for real.  This is astroturf.  They all have a financial or ideological result to gain. 

 

Vote against all of the measure which want your hard earned money.  Do any of you know that LAUSD in 2010-11 had revenue of $11,233/student which is $2,145/student more than the state average and is $80 above the national average?  Superintendent Deasy, who has a phony PHD, and Board President Garcia, an educational failure in her own district at Roosevelt High School, regularily state the LAUSD only has from $4,800-5,200/student.  At the recent California State Assembly Select Committee to Prevent School Districts from going into Receivership, or bankruptcy of which LAUSD was one of the listed districts Deasy and Garcia both stated that LAUSD only had $4,800/student.  What they did not know was that the Congress of Racial Equality of California (CORE-CA) was a going to be a presenter and had submitted our presentation early so that the committee members would have the information going back 10 years on 20 school districts and it showed that LAUSD had $11,233/student not $4,800/student which Deast and Garcia presented as fact.  These high level administrators should not have their job if they lied or did not know the facts.  Can you balance your checkbook without knowing your income and expenditures? 

 

On top of that in 2010-11 LAUSD had over 102,000 students not come to school everyday for a lost revenue of over $1.15 billion in that year alone.  In 2002 when LAUSD had 156,000 more students than in 2010-11 only 14,500 students did not come to school everyday.  When we compared the lost teachers to the lost students as percentages it came within .7%.  When you do not have students, you do not need employees in an almost direct ratio.  This was while Connie Rice was on the Oversight Committee, Gloria Romero was in the legislature and Austin was forming Parent Revolution.  Where were they????  We were there and they did not listen.

 

NOW WHO DO YOU TRUST! 

 

 

abramsrl
abramsrl

 @georgebuzzetti I agree -- unless the corruption unleashed on the nation by the repeal of Glass-Steagall is fixed, there will be trillions more dollars made by corruption than under the old system of Capitalism where people had to actually invest in businesses that did something honest.  No more -- under Clinton, Bush, Obama and now Romney, corruption is far more lucrative.  That is the main reason there is over $2 Trillion in investment funds not being spent. Productive capitalism does not give the same high rate of return as corruption, but with the world economy her, in Europe and even in China teetering on the brink of a world wide depression, there are not enough suckers left with money.

 

Corruptionism, which is judiciously safeguarded by a cadre of corrupt LA judges, is the root problem.  Munger is naive or a liar, more likely the latter, when she says the courts will prevent the misappropriation of the money from Prop 38!  Both she and her hubby made millions as attorneys and if they don't know that judiciary is terminally corrupt, then they're fools.  Or, we are fools for thinking billionaires could be so dumb.

georgebuzzetti
georgebuzzetti

 @abramsrl

 Unless the old regulations are put back into place nothing can get better.  For more than 100 years before Glass-Steagle at least every 10 years there was a big financial banking crisis.  From 1933-36 until Clinton signed the 1999-2000 Banking Deregulation Acts it was relatively stable.  This is not an accident.  It is part of another master plan.  Does not anyone think it is strange that Obama has not told the Justice Dept. to prosecute those responsible for the banking crash?  Even under Reagan there were 1,800 prosecutions and about 1,000 went to jail for the S & L Crisis.  Now the whole world goes down except for Canada, India and China and nothing happens.  In fact, now it is potentially worse than before and who would put in charge of fixing a mess those who caused it?

abramsrl
abramsrl

 @georgebuzzetti   China is also going down -- it was too closely tied to the US.

 

Obama is as corrupt as any GOP -- his #1 political donor was Goldman Sachs who hired the idiot Geithner.

skookumjohn
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Ever more quickly, the day approaches when there will be no one left in California but government employees and illegal aliens...

abramsrl
abramsrl

 @skookumjohn   sorry my bigoted friend -- the illegal aliens are already leaving.  That's an advantage to being from Chiapas.  You can always return to an abode hovel rather than tend the gardens of Missy Richie.

kaganovitch
kaganovitch

Not even in california is 77000 2% of a million; perhaps that extra funding is even more necessary than we think?

Telluride
Telluride like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

<i>"People who are fortunate enough to have a higher income," English says today, "have a particular responsibility for that blessing to be given back."</i>

 

Who says it's a "blessing"? What if someone worked hard every day of their lives for their wealth?

 

Who is this English guy to be deciding for others what they should do with their own money?

slevy11
slevy11

vote no on 30 yes on32..........

 
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