I was actually going to read this article before your idiotic dig at her weight. Pathetic. Do better.
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One of Lubben's arguments to the Weekly, on behalf of women performers victimized by porn, is, "I haven't met one woman yet who tells me she enjoys porn."
Yet Hartley says that in her numerous lesbian scenes, "I've gotten so many women off on camera. To say no woman has ever had pleasure on the set is an out-and-out lie."
Hartley argues, "No one has been forced into this business."
PHOTO BY JOHN HARTE
Shelley Lubben greets even her foes with a smile and hug from her almost mansize frame.
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Performer Mary Carey, known for running for California governor during the Gray Davis recall in 2003 and for appearing on Celebrity Rehab, said during a Q&A on the Paramount Studios lot, following a screening of documentary After Porn Ends, that "nothing bad ever happened to me on set. I always loved it. ... I enjoyed it."
Sometimes, Lubben seems to paint herself into a corner with personal claims that can place her other accusations and anecdotes in a less-than-believable light.
She says she is a recovering drug user and recovering alcoholic, for example, and on her website (shelleylubben.com) explains that she underwent an "eight-year recovery at the Champions Centre in Tacoma, Wash."
In her book, Lubben also says she "vowed to do whatever it took to stay away from alcohol" after an official threatened to take her baby away from her for drinking while breastfeeding. "On April 9, 2000," she writes, "I officially quit drinking and cigarettes at the same time."
But Lubben had more than one glass of wine during her first interview with the Weekly. That's no sin, but as Dr. Drew Pinsky (of TV's Dr. Drew and Celebrity Rehab) has said repeatedly, recovery is an all-or-nothing proposition, particularly for drugs and alcohol, which, he says, affect the same addiction pathways.
One ex-performer, who worked under the name Michelle Avanti more than five years ago, says that after meeting Lubben in 2008, "We would drink together" and share prescription pills.
Avanti is highly critical of Lubben now, saying, "She will use you, abuse you and spit you out. Like a frigging piece of gum."
But Lubben says she and her husband took care of Avanti financially for two years. In a lengthy email to the Weekly, Lubben did not deny using pills with Avanti but sought to discredit Avanti by saying she has a serious alcohol problem — which Avanti admits to.
Which of Lubben's anecdotes are true, and which are perhaps more reasonably seen as part of the Shelley Lubben–Pink Cross Foundation narrative, designed to appeal to a culture that thrives on dramatization?
Lubben claims links to the FBI, telling the Weekly that she has "worked undercover with the FBI for years" and is currently doing so. She says she contributed information to the George W. Bush–era FBI obscenity taskforce, which apparently was a regulatory enterprise mostly involved in double-checking the industry's adherence to paperwork.
It's impossible to verify her claims because, as FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller explains: "The FBI cannot provide confirmation on statements by those who claim to be FBI sources. While the FBI doesn't investigate lawful business activity, we encourage anyone who suspects criminal activity to report the allegations to law enforcement for investigation." Eimiller described porn, in general, as a lawful business activity.
One of Lubben's most powerful tools is her use of taped testimonials from former porn stars who say they suffered. The stories told by Pink Cross' rescued porn stars are on the website. But Avanti alleges that Lubben rewrote Avanti's bio to make it sound sadder and more poignant. "Shelley made my testimony up," she alleges.
Ex–porn star Sierra Sinn says Lubben "coached me about what to say" after Lubben contacted her through MySpace in 2009 and told her that she could be part of an MTV reality show about Lubben's performer-rescuing exploits. Sinn, now in her 20s, is living back home in Pennsylvania, pondering a return to the business.
Former porn star April Garris was years out of the business, when, she says, Lubben convinced her to quit her job and move to Bakersfield to work for Pink Cross. That's when she was asked to handle the laundry, among other things. Two months later, she says, Lubben cut her pay.
"It was like I moved up there for nothing," Garris says. "I was on the verge of getting kicked out of my apartment and losing my car." She got her old service-technician job back last summer.
"We didn't rescue one girl out of porn," Garris says. "It was all about helping Shelley on her speaking engagements and trying to get money out of people. It was all about promoting her."
Lubben says she is convinced her critics are led by Whiteacre, who she and her husband say is "obsessed" with her.
April Garris thinks Lubben is driven by a need for attention more than anything. When porn star and onetime Charlie Sheen hook-up Kacey Jordan ended up in a hospital in 2011 after tweeting that she had downed a combination of Jack Daniels and pills, Pink Cross sent flowers, says Garris, who worked for Pink Cross at the time.
"It was all so contrived," she says. "Kacey Jordan had taken a picture of the flowers, and Shelley put it online, saying, 'Send us money.' It wasn't about helping someone quietly. Every time we helped someone, it was about money."
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Here is another video of an ex-porn star. She has a very similar testimony to Shelley Lubben.
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhMGa7Fz10x16Z6576
I'm curious to know if the people who approached her at this event, and posted the videos on YouTube got permission from Shelley & Garrett Lubben to talk to them? As far as I am aware of, California is a two-party consent state, and you must have the consent of all parties involved before you record them if the conversation is a private.
http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law
My question is, did they get permission from Shelley and Garrett to record the content they posted online?
I think, there may be a possibility that the recordings they posting online may be illegal. Lubben should challenge it legally, if no permission was granted.
You'll never outlaw porn and if they managed to they'd just find other ways of getting it, illegal and unregulated ways which would actually further accomplish what Lubben is against spreading AIDS and other STDs. It's like the prohibition which didn't succeed and actually made things worse rather than better.
There are plenty of those working within the porn industry that have documented often emotionally abusive dynamics and physically painful acts, listen to common sense from Sharon Mitchell/Bill Margold who have decades working within the industry, read all the memoirs you can and watch documentaries not sponsored by corporations making money from porn...any man that knows anything about a woman's body should be able to twig multiple anal pounding as shown in porn is not going to bring their lover to the brink of orgasm and has everything to with making an insecure male ego in a more threatening world feel a bit better, that kind of roughness would physically and emotionally hurt those not desensitized or numbed out by past experiences or substances....As for discounting survivors stories, anybody who has worked in law enforcement, social work or psychiatry is familiar with the abusive dynamics of the sex industry...it's obvious...we pick up the pieces daily....This does not mean there aren't people that choose to work in this field, enjoy their jobs and are all victims of abuse...however it is a fairy story to argue these things don't exist in the current porn industry which has little mental health screening or occupational practices in place to prevent abuse of vulnerable people who may have addiction problems. Grudzen et al's research article Pathways to health risk exposure in adult film performers. J Urban Health 2009;86(1):67–78. [PMC free article] [PubMed] objectively outlines this reality. Free speech does not involve stalking, harassing and bullying those that are just trying to tell their stories and experiences and if what is written by current sex workers about ari bass is true and is a flavor of the mechanism of the porn industry, there seems to be more reason to be concerned about the industry and more need for scrutiny than previously thought.
Commenter "Manhattan Call Girl" is sex work prohibitionist mouthpiece "Stella Marr." She claims to have had a nearly ten year career as a NYC escort, yet no one from that community has ever heard of her. In the words of blogger Maggie McNeill, Stella "has created a tissue of lies along the lines of Melissa Farley’s bogus 'prostituted women' narrative so as to support the criminalization of men and the infantilization of women."
As demonstrated in her comment, below, "Stella" is another hysteric who uses a "victim narrative" tactic employed by authoritarians (criticism = bullying) while repeating a familiar logical fallacy rooted in Marxist analysis (if you criticize her you must be a "shill" for the institution she opposes). In her universe, there is no such thing as a consenting sex worker -- they are all victims, by definition -- and thus any former sex worker is a "survivor" (unless, of course, they oppose her view, in which case she calls them "pimps").
Tantric sex, on the other hand, now there's the cure for all our traumas, eh? I'm sorry, but I can't help but point out how many alternative or holistic health practitioners are even more fraudulent than anyone claims Shelley Lubben to be.
Michael has harrassed and cyberstalked trafficking/prostitution survivors, sometimes collaborating with 'sex worker activists' who are actually white male or female pimps -- the proof is in the links http://secretlifeofamanhattancallgirl.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/how-the-sex-industry-threatens-survivors-speaking-out-while-pimps-pose-as-sexworker-activists/
A good start would be to get the kiddie porn perverts out of the state legislature.
"it seems to me the best way to reduce porn is to reduce child abuse" I'm at a loss to how that even makes any sense.
You & your pet chimp bring it on Ari. This dog fights back and bites HARD(*CHOMP!*CHOMP!)!
Just so everyone knows, it's not my intention to start this happy horseshit all over again. I said I'd get the source. After rethinking some of the points that were made, specifically the legality aspects, it seems to me the best way to reduce porn is to reduce child abuse. Maybe you won't agree there's a connection, but you'll probably agree child abuse should be reduced regardless. This approach seeks no change in laws making pornography legal for consenting adults, and does not go against freedom of expression. I'm getting ready to enjoy a vacation, so don't reply. Best wishes to all of you, in spite of our disagreements.
The Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children In the U. S., Canada and Mexico Full Report (of the U.S. National Study) Richard J. Estes and Neil Alan Weiner at... www(dot)sp2(dot)upenn(dot)edu/restes/CSEC_Files/Complete_CSEC_020220(dot)pdf
I've got chunks of guys like you in my stool, boy. The last anti-semite to say anything to my face was carried away with my bootprints on his back. I still have those boots.
Interesting Articles About The Sources & Promoters of Porn: http://www.porn-report.com/404-organized-crime-and-pornography.htm http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.porn03apr03,0,1940819.story http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/jewish_dominance_in_porn.htm http://judicial-inc.biz/85attend_a_two_day_adult_model_con.htm http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/soc.culture.austria/msg00384.html
Yeah "Busty Cops:Witness Protection". That one going to be taken from you by Harold Blueberry & the producers Ari?
All this expertise from the second unit director of the classic"Alabama Jones and the Busty Crusade".
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No federal appeal, Anthony. It's a matter of interpretation of a state constitution. Only if the section was addressed to limiting or impinging upon federally protected rights would there be a federal issue. States are free to grant added freedoms/protections to its citizens. In cases such as this, the state supreme court has the final say.
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I type at a 3rd grade level. here's what your hero & leader Ari Bass wrote:"Ironically, it was Shelley Lubben, not I, who had to go to rehab late let summer.". late "let" summer?
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Yawn all you like, my little sweaty, bloated, drunken, self-important, cloying reprobate.
You write: "There's nothing to verify that AIDS was contracted off the set, anymore than on the set." With respect, you quite simply don't know what you're talking about. Porn performers are tested every 28 days or less. If ONLY ONE performer who worked in a number of scenes tested positive for HIV then that MUST mean he or she contracted it off set. For there to be a transmission, there HAS TO BE at least two infected parties -- one who passed it and one who received it. On top of that, viral load and sequencing tests scan pinpoint the specific strain and the time of infection. Since, through the magic of video, one can confirm precisely when the sex scenes in question were shot, this is as close to an exact science as one can get in the worlds of epidemiology, microbiology and bio-statistics. You also write, "Shelley's story doesn't ring false." Ms. Macmillan, you are entitled to believe in Santa Claus if you like, but the fact remains that NO ONE from Shelley Lubben's past (except for people she employs or who have the surname Lubben) remembers events as she does -- including her devout Christian, anti-porn family and her devout Christian anti-porn former associate April Garris. Finally, you write: "She is the only one who describes her demons, mental contradictions, rescue efforts, and the porn industry's demons in black and white." I guess you've never bothered to watch 'The Devil and Shelley Lubben'... The case against her is pretty black and white: in most instances Lubben herself has made the most damaging case against herself, with her constant revisions and additions to her fictionalized life story, and her endless contradictory statements.
Shelley's story doesn't ring false. She is the only one who describes her demons, mental contradictions, rescue efforts, and the porn industry's demons in black and white. It's her critics who present a 'please drink responsibly' grey area type language. Not that crashing on the roads and dying 'responsibly' from drunk driving feels any less painful. Her critics don't disagree with her. They just sugarcoat their claims. There's nothing to verify that AIDS was contracted off the set, anymore than on the set. There's just heresay. But Shelley's critics admit there was AIDS among their 'stars'. And why would the L.A. Weekly offer her wine, and say that it's good and bad at the same time, indirectly? It's 'cool' that Ron Jeremy considers something to be not true and a fact, at the same time. But hey, I guess we all float on the magic carpet ride of cloudy word usage...that is..except for Shelley. If you plan not to post this..please do so, responsibly. The edit button is my friend.
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I support the end of the industry, at least as we know it, but only by legal means. No need to prove to me scumbag Donny Long was responsible. Still, I'll look into those videos you mentioned.
In Greg/Mace's video (which insanely claims that I -- one of the people who helped bring down PornWikiLeaks -- was in fact the man who created it, even though it is a matter of historical fact that Donny Long created that hate site), he himself cites two of Lubben's underlings (one is Pink Cross' VP) as sources. And now I have Garrett on video admitting that Mace got my private info because someone gave it to Shelley. That video may be found on the 'anthonyjkenn' YouTube channel, under the title (not composed by me) 'Michael Whiteacre Destroys Garrett (Hubby of Shelley) Lubben - -Part 1.' Another video, on the 'jordanowen42' channel, dissects Greg/Mace's video (which YouTube removed following my complaint): 'Response to DJravenwolf, loyal Pink Croes defender.' Yet another video called 'Doc Dropping Twat Fails To Fool Anyone' on the 'adroitism' channel has more info. Decide for yourself.
If what you say is true, you deserve justice. No matter how hard a game of hardball is played, the procurement and use of personal information against anyone who does not want that information known to the public is unacceptable. I defended the rights of porn performers during the PornWikileaks scandal for exactly that reason.
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This is America. She is free to express her opinion. The woman is not hurting anyone. If you don't like what she has to say, don't listen. Simple as that. I would think that the porn industry would be more concerned about the DEA.
@sistersledge111 The majority of those posted were filmed by an attorney. Yes, he knows enough to get permission on camera prior to recording and publishing.
I'm not surprised you're at a loss, considering you're also biased against EMDR therapy which when used by a certified practitioner actually works wonders for sexual abuse survivors.
Name a time and place. I'll even have cameras there to capture every glorious moment. The winner gets the video.
@Tbpropsfx Except that she IS hurting people. She is hurting Christians who mean well by fleecing and defrauding them. She is hurting industry performers by claiming to be a Christian minister, and then treating them abusively all in the name of God, turning them off further from any interest in the real thing. She is absolutely hurting people.
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