I was actually going to read this article before your idiotic dig at her weight. Pathetic. Do better.
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Lubben argues that hard-core porn is tantamount to sex trafficking. And she says the industry is rife with physical violence that would be considered criminal activity in any other California workplace.
A video she uploaded to YouTube, titled "Shocking Footage of Women Abused on the Porn Set," depicts dazed and confused young women surrounded by aggressive, nude men on porn sets. One outtake shows a woman saying, "Stop!" She cries and says, "I'm just not used to people being mean to me." Another woman asks for things to wrap up, saying, "Please, you're really hurting me."
Lubben says, "I've had girls come to me who were anally raped" on the set. She also claims that 36 porn stars have died from HIV, suicide or homicide, from 2007 to 2010, and that more than 100 performers are known to have died from AIDS overall. Her data are impossible to verify. (Of 10 HIV cases in the porn industry that both the AHF and FSC agree have been found since 2005, porn-business supporters say nearly all of those were contracted off the set.)
PHOTO BY JOHN HARTE
Shelley Lubben greets even her foes with a smile and hug from her almost mansize frame.
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Critics dispute Lubben's claims and some say she has woven a series of contradictions and lies. "Her stories don't add up," Whiteacre says. He's been researching and dogging Lubben since 2010. "Shelley Lubben," he contends, "is a con artist."
Respected industry veteran and observer Bill Margold, who appeared with Lubben in the documentary After Porn Ends, calls her "delusional."
"She is not to be taken seriously," he says. "She is a little bit histrionic."
And in fact, several of Lubben's claims today contradict her previous statements, such as her version of what really happened while filming a scene with well-known actor Guy DiSilva in the 1990s. Lubben, in a speech at the UCLA School of Law in 2010, said that during filming, "I was brutally raped on the set, when I contracted herpes in a six-man gang bang."
The Weekly recently caught up with DiSilva, one of the performers in that scene. DiSilva is a porn star with a reputation for being relatively mellow in an industry filled with muscle boys and dirt bags. When asked if Lubben was brutally raped, he replied, "Definitely not.
"She was very aggressive in that scene," DiSilva says. "She led the scene, basically."
At the Porn Stars for Puppies event in Hollywood, DiSilva confronted Lubben about her accusation. "I would never say that," Lubben told him. She explained that she meant she "felt raped throughout the entire scene."
A number of other well-known industry insiders contacted by the Weekly objected to Lubben's depictions of what unfolds on closed sets, but some agreed that young women get tricked by contractual fine print and are convinced to do things in front of the camera by pushy filmmakers.
Lubben claims, for example, "There are girls who come to a set for a 'boy-girl' and they're told, 'We have five guys, we're going to do a gang bang. ... These are 18-, 19-, 20-year-old girls who show up at a mostly male set and say, 'I don't do that.' 'You do now.' "
If true, her allegations would mean young women are coming under intense pressure and perhaps coercion in the workplace.
She tears into famed porn actor Ron Jeremy, whom she calls a friend: "I have a video of Ron doing a rape scene with a woman. He honestly doesn't remember. I go, 'Ron, you did that.' He's done so much, he's desensitized."
Jeremy, who also calls Lubben a friend, says that's a lie. He tells the Weekly: "She brings up facts that are not true. Shelley is not a bad girl. She's religiously motivated."
Lubben critic Nina Hartley, who is still active and has been performing since the mid-1980s, agrees that there are shady producers who push young women to go beyond what they were told would happen to them.
"There are people who are not ethical and who take advantage, absolutely," during L.A. porn shoots, she admits. But she feels "coercion," used by Lubben, is too strong a word. Hartley says she has "never been abused on a set."
Ex–porn star Sierra Sinn, who says her story in the porn business was used by Pink Cross Foundation to turn her into a poster girl for the nonprofit, says Lubben is right about the pressure — but only to a degree.
Sinn says she "got caught and set up with some awful, horrible scenes" in front of the camera. "I felt a little bit abused by my agent for putting me in that situation. But when I said stop, they stopped. It's not as bad as Shelley makes it out to be. She exaggerates a lot."
The Pink Cross YouTube video "Shocking Footage of Women Abused on the Porn Set" depicts crying and abused porn stars. But Whiteacre, Lubben's biggest detractor — who has made PSAs for the industry lobbying group FSC — claims the footage, while pushing boundaries, is set up and that the women are acting.
"Those are all performances," he insists. "It's completely 'storied.' It's billed as secret, behind-the-scenes footage the industry does not want you to see. But they're scenes the industry released and wants you to buy."
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Danielle Williams: A Porn Stars Pain
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Here is another video of an ex-porn star. She has a very similar testimony to Shelley Lubben.
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhMGa7Fz10x16Z6576
I'm curious to know if the people who approached her at this event, and posted the videos on YouTube got permission from Shelley & Garrett Lubben to talk to them? As far as I am aware of, California is a two-party consent state, and you must have the consent of all parties involved before you record them if the conversation is a private.
http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law
My question is, did they get permission from Shelley and Garrett to record the content they posted online?
I think, there may be a possibility that the recordings they posting online may be illegal. Lubben should challenge it legally, if no permission was granted.
You'll never outlaw porn and if they managed to they'd just find other ways of getting it, illegal and unregulated ways which would actually further accomplish what Lubben is against spreading AIDS and other STDs. It's like the prohibition which didn't succeed and actually made things worse rather than better.
There are plenty of those working within the porn industry that have documented often emotionally abusive dynamics and physically painful acts, listen to common sense from Sharon Mitchell/Bill Margold who have decades working within the industry, read all the memoirs you can and watch documentaries not sponsored by corporations making money from porn...any man that knows anything about a woman's body should be able to twig multiple anal pounding as shown in porn is not going to bring their lover to the brink of orgasm and has everything to with making an insecure male ego in a more threatening world feel a bit better, that kind of roughness would physically and emotionally hurt those not desensitized or numbed out by past experiences or substances....As for discounting survivors stories, anybody who has worked in law enforcement, social work or psychiatry is familiar with the abusive dynamics of the sex industry...it's obvious...we pick up the pieces daily....This does not mean there aren't people that choose to work in this field, enjoy their jobs and are all victims of abuse...however it is a fairy story to argue these things don't exist in the current porn industry which has little mental health screening or occupational practices in place to prevent abuse of vulnerable people who may have addiction problems. Grudzen et al's research article Pathways to health risk exposure in adult film performers. J Urban Health 2009;86(1):67–78. [PMC free article] [PubMed] objectively outlines this reality. Free speech does not involve stalking, harassing and bullying those that are just trying to tell their stories and experiences and if what is written by current sex workers about ari bass is true and is a flavor of the mechanism of the porn industry, there seems to be more reason to be concerned about the industry and more need for scrutiny than previously thought.
Commenter "Manhattan Call Girl" is sex work prohibitionist mouthpiece "Stella Marr." She claims to have had a nearly ten year career as a NYC escort, yet no one from that community has ever heard of her. In the words of blogger Maggie McNeill, Stella "has created a tissue of lies along the lines of Melissa Farley’s bogus 'prostituted women' narrative so as to support the criminalization of men and the infantilization of women."
As demonstrated in her comment, below, "Stella" is another hysteric who uses a "victim narrative" tactic employed by authoritarians (criticism = bullying) while repeating a familiar logical fallacy rooted in Marxist analysis (if you criticize her you must be a "shill" for the institution she opposes). In her universe, there is no such thing as a consenting sex worker -- they are all victims, by definition -- and thus any former sex worker is a "survivor" (unless, of course, they oppose her view, in which case she calls them "pimps").
Tantric sex, on the other hand, now there's the cure for all our traumas, eh? I'm sorry, but I can't help but point out how many alternative or holistic health practitioners are even more fraudulent than anyone claims Shelley Lubben to be.
Michael has harrassed and cyberstalked trafficking/prostitution survivors, sometimes collaborating with 'sex worker activists' who are actually white male or female pimps -- the proof is in the links http://secretlifeofamanhattancallgirl.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/how-the-sex-industry-threatens-survivors-speaking-out-while-pimps-pose-as-sexworker-activists/
A good start would be to get the kiddie porn perverts out of the state legislature.
"it seems to me the best way to reduce porn is to reduce child abuse" I'm at a loss to how that even makes any sense.
You & your pet chimp bring it on Ari. This dog fights back and bites HARD(*CHOMP!*CHOMP!)!
Just so everyone knows, it's not my intention to start this happy horseshit all over again. I said I'd get the source. After rethinking some of the points that were made, specifically the legality aspects, it seems to me the best way to reduce porn is to reduce child abuse. Maybe you won't agree there's a connection, but you'll probably agree child abuse should be reduced regardless. This approach seeks no change in laws making pornography legal for consenting adults, and does not go against freedom of expression. I'm getting ready to enjoy a vacation, so don't reply. Best wishes to all of you, in spite of our disagreements.
The Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children In the U. S., Canada and Mexico Full Report (of the U.S. National Study) Richard J. Estes and Neil Alan Weiner at... www(dot)sp2(dot)upenn(dot)edu/restes/CSEC_Files/Complete_CSEC_020220(dot)pdf
I've got chunks of guys like you in my stool, boy. The last anti-semite to say anything to my face was carried away with my bootprints on his back. I still have those boots.
Interesting Articles About The Sources & Promoters of Porn: http://www.porn-report.com/404-organized-crime-and-pornography.htm http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-te.md.porn03apr03,0,1940819.story http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/jewish_dominance_in_porn.htm http://judicial-inc.biz/85attend_a_two_day_adult_model_con.htm http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/soc.culture.austria/msg00384.html
Yeah "Busty Cops:Witness Protection". That one going to be taken from you by Harold Blueberry & the producers Ari?
All this expertise from the second unit director of the classic"Alabama Jones and the Busty Crusade".
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No federal appeal, Anthony. It's a matter of interpretation of a state constitution. Only if the section was addressed to limiting or impinging upon federally protected rights would there be a federal issue. States are free to grant added freedoms/protections to its citizens. In cases such as this, the state supreme court has the final say.
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I type at a 3rd grade level. here's what your hero & leader Ari Bass wrote:"Ironically, it was Shelley Lubben, not I, who had to go to rehab late let summer.". late "let" summer?
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Yawn all you like, my little sweaty, bloated, drunken, self-important, cloying reprobate.
You write: "There's nothing to verify that AIDS was contracted off the set, anymore than on the set." With respect, you quite simply don't know what you're talking about. Porn performers are tested every 28 days or less. If ONLY ONE performer who worked in a number of scenes tested positive for HIV then that MUST mean he or she contracted it off set. For there to be a transmission, there HAS TO BE at least two infected parties -- one who passed it and one who received it. On top of that, viral load and sequencing tests scan pinpoint the specific strain and the time of infection. Since, through the magic of video, one can confirm precisely when the sex scenes in question were shot, this is as close to an exact science as one can get in the worlds of epidemiology, microbiology and bio-statistics. You also write, "Shelley's story doesn't ring false." Ms. Macmillan, you are entitled to believe in Santa Claus if you like, but the fact remains that NO ONE from Shelley Lubben's past (except for people she employs or who have the surname Lubben) remembers events as she does -- including her devout Christian, anti-porn family and her devout Christian anti-porn former associate April Garris. Finally, you write: "She is the only one who describes her demons, mental contradictions, rescue efforts, and the porn industry's demons in black and white." I guess you've never bothered to watch 'The Devil and Shelley Lubben'... The case against her is pretty black and white: in most instances Lubben herself has made the most damaging case against herself, with her constant revisions and additions to her fictionalized life story, and her endless contradictory statements.
Shelley's story doesn't ring false. She is the only one who describes her demons, mental contradictions, rescue efforts, and the porn industry's demons in black and white. It's her critics who present a 'please drink responsibly' grey area type language. Not that crashing on the roads and dying 'responsibly' from drunk driving feels any less painful. Her critics don't disagree with her. They just sugarcoat their claims. There's nothing to verify that AIDS was contracted off the set, anymore than on the set. There's just heresay. But Shelley's critics admit there was AIDS among their 'stars'. And why would the L.A. Weekly offer her wine, and say that it's good and bad at the same time, indirectly? It's 'cool' that Ron Jeremy considers something to be not true and a fact, at the same time. But hey, I guess we all float on the magic carpet ride of cloudy word usage...that is..except for Shelley. If you plan not to post this..please do so, responsibly. The edit button is my friend.
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I support the end of the industry, at least as we know it, but only by legal means. No need to prove to me scumbag Donny Long was responsible. Still, I'll look into those videos you mentioned.
In Greg/Mace's video (which insanely claims that I -- one of the people who helped bring down PornWikiLeaks -- was in fact the man who created it, even though it is a matter of historical fact that Donny Long created that hate site), he himself cites two of Lubben's underlings (one is Pink Cross' VP) as sources. And now I have Garrett on video admitting that Mace got my private info because someone gave it to Shelley. That video may be found on the 'anthonyjkenn' YouTube channel, under the title (not composed by me) 'Michael Whiteacre Destroys Garrett (Hubby of Shelley) Lubben - -Part 1.' Another video, on the 'jordanowen42' channel, dissects Greg/Mace's video (which YouTube removed following my complaint): 'Response to DJravenwolf, loyal Pink Croes defender.' Yet another video called 'Doc Dropping Twat Fails To Fool Anyone' on the 'adroitism' channel has more info. Decide for yourself.
If what you say is true, you deserve justice. No matter how hard a game of hardball is played, the procurement and use of personal information against anyone who does not want that information known to the public is unacceptable. I defended the rights of porn performers during the PornWikileaks scandal for exactly that reason.
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This is America. She is free to express her opinion. The woman is not hurting anyone. If you don't like what she has to say, don't listen. Simple as that. I would think that the porn industry would be more concerned about the DEA.
@sistersledge111 The majority of those posted were filmed by an attorney. Yes, he knows enough to get permission on camera prior to recording and publishing.
I'm not surprised you're at a loss, considering you're also biased against EMDR therapy which when used by a certified practitioner actually works wonders for sexual abuse survivors.
Name a time and place. I'll even have cameras there to capture every glorious moment. The winner gets the video.
@Tbpropsfx Except that she IS hurting people. She is hurting Christians who mean well by fleecing and defrauding them. She is hurting industry performers by claiming to be a Christian minister, and then treating them abusively all in the name of God, turning them off further from any interest in the real thing. She is absolutely hurting people.
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