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Proposition 29 Cigarette Tax

Why it may fail in liberal California

Recently, a Los Angeles Times editorial took up Mathews' view that Proposition 29 should lose because it requires the revenue to be spent on cancer and research, not go to the state's general fund. Los Angeles City Hall gadfly John Walsh responded with a colorful, all-caps missive declaring: "TWO-PACK-A-DAY SAM ZELL ... BLOWS SMOKE UP L.A. TIMES EDITORIAL WRITERS' ASSES TO  FORCE A NO ON 29 EDITORIAL OUT OF THEM."

Glantz says those focused on where the money goes miss the point of Proposition 29: It was never meant to save Brown and the Legislature from the state's yawning $16 billion deficit. It's intended to make smoking so expensive that many people quit or never start, thus saving lives.

The Centers for Disease Control says tobacco-related fatalities outnumber deaths from alcohol, illegal drugs, murders, suicides, fires and AIDS combined. The Cancer Society's Knox says by far the most effective way to prevent kids from starting is "by raising the price."

Joel Fox, an antitax advocate and president of the Small Business Action Committee, dismisses this argument as the latest effort to enact "nanny state" rules legislating behavior. "They are trying to establish their moral standards by raising this tax, making it more difficult to purchase something."

Glantz contends that legislating human behavior, in this case, works. He estimates that within five years of the measure's passage, California's already low smoking rate would drop three points to 8.5 percent (the national average is around 20 percent), saving the state up to $32 billion in medical costs, including more than $10 billion saved by state government.

He sees the large sums of cash that Proposition 29 would raise for research and antismoking programs as a bonus. "The fact is," Glantz says, "if you took all the money out and put it in a pile and burned it, it would still be a good thing to do."

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Richardt6109
Richardt6109

Why not out law tobacco altogther, this is for cancer research not cancer treatments this is a scam from the same politicians that can't balance the state budget cant control spending laying off teachers and the list goes on and now you want to pass this stupid tax hike to give these morons more money to steal just like the license plates for 911 victims that was suppose to help them..... THEY STOLE THAT MONEY!!!! they will never outlaw tobacco they tell you oh quit smoking but yet the want the tax revenue DOUBLE STANDARD MORONS VOTE NO ON 29 this is another reason why these crooks get away with this you believe them...

toastingyourhealth
toastingyourhealth

A response to the current Chair of the California Republican Party: The responsible and "compassionate" way to lower the unemployment rate cannot be at the expense of human life (the horrible toll with current low cost of cigarettes in California--13,000 Californians die of lung cancer each year and 36,900 more California kids get addicted to tobacco each year.) This state is open to everyone's suggestions, but please do something else to bail out the economy--don't sell our souls to Big Tobacco! VOTE YES ON PROP 29!

Arnold McMunn
Arnold McMunn

Excuse me. I am not Big Tobacco.I am the poor reeking California smoker whom you mean to control by overtaxation.There are three times the number of New cases of non-tobacco cancers likely costing Our State that much more than by us stinking smokers and You with the Personal Concern for Cancer Research Refuse to tax yourselves to find The Cure for Your Disease.

At least you could of asked us for a donation...

Arnold McMunn
Arnold McMunn

Oh yeah. Cancer is not the No. 1 cause of death among smokers (6%: 13,350 deaths from a State smoking pop. of 4.4 Million), not 13,000 as quoted elsewhere by a dedicated 29 supporter of Cancer Research). It is "Ischemic Heart Disease" (19%) caused by 'Sticky platelets' caused by Carbon Monoxide (and-My Opinion- *I think* a Vitamin B5 Deficiency among 1% of Our People given the actual numbers per year).

The No. 1 cause of death among Non-Tobacco Users is 'Non-Tobacco Neoplasms' (18%).A 'Neoplasm' is A Tumor...

Source: The State of California Dept. of Public Health: Tobacco Control Board:

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/program...

Sure death is horrible. Who wants it? But only a fear monger for revenue would ignore putting the matters of pragmatic data in real-life perspective, while the result of that behavior I find highly suspect, when three times the cancers are non-tobacco related and costing us that much more. Perhaps the Pro 29 people doubt our intellect?

If Vitamin B5 (which as a matter of fact converts Carbon Monoxide to Acetyl Co-Enzyme A; an Essential component for life) is in fact necessary to prevent Ischemic Heart Disease in All of us, then why aren't Our Experts telling us about it? A $0.50 vitamin tab.It is Tobacco Control who runs the 'Second Hand Smoke and Sticky Platelets' PSA's on t.v., paid for by We the smokers without Our Consent. I want Truth.

Ischemic Heart Disease is the No. 1 killer among starving peoples; 80% in third world countries.

Carbon Monoxide is normally formed in the body during digestion of Carbohydrates. Normal food.

Arnold McMunn
Arnold McMunn

16,397 Californians die of 'tobacco-related' cancer each year (all tobacco cancers)...out of a State smoking population of 4.4 Million smokers. That is a death rate of One Third of One Percent. Source: The American Cancer Society. Please see Adobe Reader Page 3 of 40:

www.ccrcal.org/pdf/Reports/ACS...

At that rate it will take 10 years for cancer to kill 3% of us smokers.

It will take 100 years for smoking cancers to kill 30% of us.

And it will take greater than 300 years for cancer to kill all of us smokers.

The American Cancer Society predicts that 1 in 2 Americans will be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetime. But we only have 12% of Californians who smoke. Smoking is on the decline and non-tobacco cancers are on the rise. Smoking is on the decline and the ACS is now predicting the 1 in 2 figure. 50% of the people with cancers.And I might then conclude that the other 50% of Americans will not be diagnosed with cancer in their lifetime.So if cigarettes cause cancer, then how can you dismiss the other 50% from the number of projected cases based on causal exposure?

Are there cancers by exposure to carcinogens without a family history of cancer, malnutrition or Virus?

At it's peak, 48% of Americans smoked, but the 'tobacco-related' cancer death rate was still only One Third of One Percent per year.

With twice as many non-tobacco cancer deaths each year and three times or more the number of New cases of non-tobacco related cancers likely costing Our State that much more than those of the smokers, then Why do the Pro 29 supporters Refuse to tax themselves for The Cure? Why is it that those with the personal interest in cancer research refuse to tax themselves?

The ACS is a Non-Profit organization contributing $3.4 Billion a year in research, in addition to the federally-funded NIH and every other pharma seeking a patent product from the results.

Voting No on 29 will Not deny cancer research. Research is ongoing, same as before.

Gecoop57
Gecoop57

the price of gas keeps going up yet everyone still drives, 29 is just big brother trying to tell us how to live it should be your choice to smoke or not, 29 will just be part of a bail out for the states over spending, whats next make the price of food so high that people will lose weight! wake up America

Arnold McMunn
Arnold McMunn

So high nothin'. Mayor Bloomberg today proposed banning Large Portion Sugared Drinks.And how large is large. I'm sure there is no such thing as a safe sugared drink, given the temper of the argumentative on the subject(s)...(Us).Say Goodbye to The Big Gulp in NYC...

Arnold McMunn
Arnold McMunn

Ahh..I'm not sure what the L.A. Weekly position is on this Pro 29 jazz.See, I live here and I smoke...So, according to the Pro 29'ers, the 60% of non-tobacco cancer deaths each and every year may pass The Gate of Heaven without a strip search...and still receive State health care. As long as Our Experts cannot blame them for the cause...

There are more than Three Times the number of New Cases of Non-Tobacco Related Cancerscosting our State that much more than We the Smokers, but Damn! Again, they can't determine The Cause, or find a suitable scapegoat, so these cases also 'get a free pass'.

The number of tobacco-related cancer deaths in Cali this year, and last year, is 16,397 deaths.One Third of One Percent of the 4.4 Million Californians who smoke.

Source: The American Cancer Society. Please see Adobe Reader Page 3 of 40, but You Will Have to Do The Math:

www.ccrcal.org/pdf/Reports/ACS...

Tobacco is Not the No. 1 cause of cancer deaths among smokers (6% of All State Deaths). It is "Ischemic Heart Disease" (19% of All State Deaths).The No. 1 cause of death among Non-Tobacco Users is "Non-Tobacco Neoplasms (18% of All Deaths).

Source: The State of California Dept. of Public Health: Tobacco Control Board:

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/program...

And Ischemic Heart Disease. I assume caused by 'sticky platelets' due to Carbon Monoxide.That is what they've been telling us in their public service messages...I am a Layman. I don't know. I depend on Our Experts to tell us The Truth. It is the Pro 29'ers who talk about 'sticky platelets'.

But I have read that Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) converts Carbon Monoxide to Acetyl Co-Enzyme A, essential for staying alive, thus removing the Carbon Monoxide which would otherwise form 'sticky platelets' in the process.If true, then...Why aren't these Pro 29'ers who are Demanding Pro 29 'Research Money' in the Billions for the next 15 years Telling The People about this?

Also, the body produces Carbon Monoxide when digesting Carbohydrates, but this again should be metabolized by adequate Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) in the diet. But the poor, they live on Phosphate Ramen. Phosphates are Oxidizers. Oxidizers destroy Pantothenic Acid, a Reducer, as is Carbon Monoxide. ---------------------------

http://www.cancer.org/MyACS/Ea...

"As the nation’s largest non-governmental investor in cancer research, contributing about $3.4 billion, we turn what we know about cancer into what we do.".

They don't need the money for research, and especially when They Refuse to Tax Themselves for The Cure on behalf of The Majority of Non-Tobacco cancer patients costing us all.In fact, if you look at this page, the ACS is spending 'their research monies' by playing Tobacco Tax Police because, thanks to their efforts in NYC, cigarettes are now over $12 a pack and The People cannot afford them.But this is Not Research and the Pro 29'ers in this article make No Bones About the fact that they prefer Prohibition anyhow. Revenue? Research? Which is it?

20% of Pro 29 pays for 'Specified Programs' such as the First Five pre-school program, again, Not Cancer Research or Prohibition. These programs were Cut in order that Our State could stay afloat.What is the point of re-instituting these programs without a doable budget when the Pro 29'ers only want Prohibition?

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Ahh, I am recalling the first days of L.A. Weekly, reading it on Venice Beach in '79 on the way to Pirate's Cove in Malibu, but that clothing-optional beach was Banned by 'Our Government'.The Pro 29'ers, I don't think they like Sunshine either...

Guest
Guest

YES ON 29. Claiming that raising the cigarette tax is unfair to [insert social/economic demographic here] is like saying raising the alcohol tax is unfair to alcoholics in the same demographic. Unless cigarettes provide a life-saving medical benefit to those who smoke, there is nothing unfair about Prop 29. Have you seen the campaign ads? The "no" ads rarely feature actual people, just vague statements; the "yes" ads feature actual doctors and cancer survivors. YES ON 29.

Bobpjafe
Bobpjafe

Prop 29 is a discriminatory tax and if passed will set a precedent for more taxes just like it that will target a specific group of voters. It will put political "friends" in charge of the money with no accountability and no taxpayer control. Whoever authored this is a crook and is not interested in hte public good.

toastingyourhealth
toastingyourhealth

Thanks to American Cancer Society research, we all know that smoking is associated with lung cancer, cardiovascular disease (the biggest killer of Californians)--(30% of cases are associated with tobacco use). Prop 29 was carefully crafted to price smokers and potential smokers over the edge to cut/avoid smoking. Numbers of tobacco addicts have clearly dwindled in other states when they raised the cigarette tax. The results are very predictable. American Cancer Society did the research on that, too. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY BIG TOBACCO!

Always glance at the lists of endorsers on the two sides. On one side, we have Big Tobacco and all the shameless Calif. merchants who profit from the sale of cancer sticks, and on the other (see website www.CaliforniansforaCure.org), we have reputable health organizations, The State Superintendent of Pub. Instr., PTA's, MANY doctors, incl. oncologists, Amer, Cancer Soc., American Lung, Heart, and Stroke Assns. and everyone else decent. WHO DO YOU TRUST with your children's health?

The No campaign suggests that some of the research money may go out of state. It will not.The Prop 29 law mentions California research over 30 times. Somehow, the corrupt no-on-29 campaigners do not care that currently about a billion dollars goes out of state to the heartless tobacco industry in the south each year as a perk for killing off Californians and addicting new generations of teen smokers to replace dying smokers. Somehow they let THAT money go out of state. Go figure!Look through the smokescreen. VOTE YES ON PROP 29!

 
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