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Tim Leiweke's Green NFL Stadium

EIR says fans would forsake cars

In addition, the EIR says fiscally strapped Metro must add dozens of new railcars. It's unclear how high that bill might be, and some say AEG, not the public, should pay.

But better infrastructure won't be enough to offset traffic jams, carbon emissions and other environmental problems created by an NFL stadium, so AEG plans to nudge spectators onto public transit. AEG must somehow lure 27 percent of ticket buyers onto mass transit for weekday games.

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When buying tickets online, AEG would offer pre-purchasing of passes to cover parking, buses or rail. "To some it's called up-selling," says AEG spokesman Michael Roth. "We're going to have to change the name. Maybe we'll call it enviro-selling."

To discourage driving, the EIR proposes that football fans be handed a square half-mile of city land on which to tailgate — without their cars. "We're gonna have the largest, best tailgating party in all of L.A.," Leiweke says.

Paid for by AEG, the proposed $10 million renovation of taxpayer-owned Gilbert Lindsay Plaza — a forgettable concrete square outside the Convention Center's West Hall — would create space near the stadium, which is going to be tightly squeezed. AEG would use the plaza, presumably rent-free (Roth says negotiations with the city are starting), as a food court and partying area.

Leiweke envisions stalls such as Roscoe's Chicken & Waffles, and says 15,000 ex-tailgaters would fit into the space.

"If you're trying to convince people to go on light rail, then Gilbert Lindsay Plaza's critical," Leiweke says.

Despite some problems, Newton, the blogger who was dying to find dirt, likes what he sees so far. Farmers Field, he says, "creates another opportunity for people to think about taking transit."

Others, like Dennison, want to know why, in 10,000 pages, AEG did not conduct a thorough analysis of how fans, despite a Blue Line station just two blocks away, get to Staples Center.

Transportation planner Bates, making a guess that he admits could be too high, says cars account for 90 percent to 95 percent of trips to Staples Center. But at Farmers Field, he says, "There will be aggressive promotion and incentivization" to leave your car at home.

Reach the writer at hillelaron@mac.com.

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Mark Yale
Mark Yale

I Agree with all who have been sharing thoughts in positive ways about the MTA and the Train system, what everyone also needs to remember.. is that LA CITY is at fault YEARS AGO Way before this because they trimed back the buses and NEVER Implemented a Rail system early enough when they could have... remember when they killed the Red Car (when is possibly comming back) i live near a blue line station... and if i have money for a game and all i would try hard to use the blue line... i have no car at the same time (disabled)... the rose bowl city of industry, even the coliseum for many YEARS never had any of this... if a stadium is in idestry and i went to a game i have to find a RIDE BY CAR i could careless for tailgating i dont buy a game ticket to stand outside yacking about a game or players... i buy a ticket TO WATCH A GAME IN PERSON!!!! there is Car pooling as well.... if someone lives near a rail station no matter what area, and fellow friends who are fans are going to a game goto gether then that is even better.... why because that 1 or 2 friends meeting the other can PARK At that friends house/apt area and not have to waste Gas or driving time.... no one has really mentioned how much easier it would be to goto Farmers field FOR DISABLED PEOPLE Who are fans.. this includes older and military vets who are fans!! what AEG is attempting to do NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE BEFORE!!!! with all the Other new stadiums...I am a Rams Fan.. i may not have all the gear or signed autographs or be super diehard but i have memories still be to both the coliseum (with a friend who drove 1 time and my dad the other time, i also saw a rams and raiders game in Anahiem.... BIG Difference. I applaud AEG, i also aplaud those looking at the EIR Making some valid concerns... think about this... i know in the mornings for like 2 hours straight the Blue line has trains running EVERY 10 MINUTES that should be workable for all Home Games for ALL Rails and that is a positive impact... (sorry about the rambling i DO WANT MY RAMS BACK!!!!!!)

Hars Harper
Hars Harper

It's amazing to me that readers of the Weekly, a typically forward-thinking group, would be so obtuse when it comes to the transit projections. Anyone who's attended a sporting event, pro football included, in another city (Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego) knows that the public transit option often makes the most sense for fans.

Why would it be any different here?

Yes, I realize there is still a dominant car culture in Los Angeles, but the EIR projection is only 18-20% ridership on game days. If 80% of fans arrive by car, traffic is significantly mitigated. One-hundred percent of fans have been arriving at the Coliseum (less than 2 miles south of the proposed stadium) by car for decades -- and, by God, the city still functions fine on game days.

People have been complaining about the lack of pragmatic public transit in this city for years, yet just when the city starts to get its act together in that regard, the naysayers begin making unfounded claims that no one will bother to ride it to sporting events. The contrary is already true. I've attended games at Staples Center where the metro trains are full of fans coming and going. With the opening of the first phase of the Expo Line, our long awaited rail system to the west side has finally arrived, and I expect more people to arrive via public transit to South Park. To adamantly insist that 18-20% of football fans won't willingly leave their cars at home for the ease of public transit is myopic and defeatist.

SZwartz, where do you get your numbers? Subways aren't the only means of getting to a game. There are both light and heavy rail options (Metrolink, Gold Line, Expo Line, Blue Line) not to mention busses.

Is this project a mark of corruption or progress? I guess the lines have been drawn.

Anthony Costa
Anthony Costa

I support this stadium. The number of people coming for events isn't going to be that large. The rail can handle it. The worse traffic gets,the more it will be an incentive for people to take metrolink into DT and walk around. Hope we can get the Raiders back here and continue the revitalization of DT.

SZwartz
SZwartz

The entire AEG Plan like the entire Hollywood Community Plan is a fraud. The most glaring misrepresentation concerns mass transit, especially the subways.

LA has virtually no subways. They cover about 5% of LA and the Stadium will draw from the entire LA-OC area. It is known that people will not use a subway where the station is more than 1/2 mile from where they embark or disembark. That means about 30% of the fans have to live within 1/2 mile of a subway station. Thus, the subways would have to expand by 600%, from serving 5% to serving 30%. We do not even have plans to build that many subways.

And who will pay for the subways, if they were built? The taxpayers. By the time LA expanded its subways in order to satisfy AEG's EIR, it will cost the tax payers cost to $1 Trillion. Is that disclosed in the EIR?

However, it is doubtful AEG cares about transportation. It's about TV rights and all they need is a Stadium and a team to secure TV rights. They have zero concern what happens to the City or whether people can get to the games or the horrendous mess that make of the city on game day. Hollywoodians have seen who corrupt developers have made the area around Hollywood-Highland into a dead-zone for residents.

Also people need to be realistic about financing. When the stadium is approved, then Asshuts will hit up the City for a direct subsidy to bring an NFL team to LA. Let's face it, no team will move to LA without bundles of tax dollars. If we are so stupid and corrupt as to approve this scam, the tax payers will be subsidizing Asshutz for the rest of their lives.

El Barto
El Barto

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................ LA has subways sonny and they work pretty decent in conjunction with a bicycle. This might not work to well for obese suv driving 50 aging NFL fans but the good news is that they are a dieing breed. Big question is whether Farmer's field can host MLS soccer games.

SZwartz
SZwartz

You're living in a land of delusion if you're seeing a lot of subways. LA has almost no subways. Read the 1915 Los Angeles Transit Study (on-line) and learn about the math and the finances of subways, and you will understand why we have so few subways, and why the Hollywood Subway deteriorated rather than revitalized Hollywood. Math and the finances of corruption have not changed in the lat 100 years.

ddbear
ddbear

It's such a scam. I read much of the draft EIR and AEG skips addressing the biggest problems with car traffic and spillover tailgating due to the lack of tailgating at the stadium.

 
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