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Today, that money flows like honey to the MRCA, now surpassing $2 million annually and comprising 8 percent of its $29 million budget in 2010.

The ticketing and revenue numbers are huge, given that just seven cameras are involved. By comparison, the now-defunct L.A. city red-light cameras, which had been turned on at 32 heavily trafficked urban intersections, produced about 40,000 tickets per year.

Protecting that income has become important to authority executive director Joseph T. Edmiston. In 2010, Edmiston won a special exemption from California law so that the mountains authority — alone among local California agencies — can set its own traffic rules, hold its own initial traffic hearings and then collect the money.

Edmiston refused to discuss his agency's stop-sign cameras, which are the subject of a class-action lawsuit. But a spokeswoman, Dash Stolarz, insists that the seven cameras are crucial to keeping park roads safe.

Stolarz describes "Top of Reseda," the dead end of Reseda Boulevard in Tarzana, which leads into Marvin Braude Mulholland Gateway Park, as a "notorious speedway as people charge down the hill, ignoring the bicycles and people going by."

And the twisty road serving Franklin Canyon, she says, is used "to bypass traffic jams on Coldwater Canyon. [Drivers] say, 'Oh, there's nobody around.' The cars come whipping around and it's unbelievably dangerous. We put in speed bumps and stop signs, etc. It's extremely dangerous, and we're not going to tolerate it."

Yet the MRCA, which can afford to send a team to court to fight a single $175 ticket, cannot produce any records to back up its claims of actual danger.

In fact, the Weekly has learned, the danger is being exaggerated. Los Angeles Police Department data show no serious accidents have occurred at the seven locations for the past eight years, either pre- or postcameras.

Lt. Andy Neiman, an LAPD spokesman, after poring over data from 2005 to 2012 for streets adjacent to the seven stop-sign cameras, such as the 3500 block of Reseda Boulevard and the 3600 block of Topanga Canyon Boulevard, concludes, "We have not completed any traffic investigations at those locations, or at least if we did respond to a collision, they did not meet the criteria requiring a traffic report."

MRCA supervising ranger Jewel Johnson insists, "We're not going to wait until people get killed."

Her argument echoes one made for years by Los Angeles city officials, who agreed to turn off the city's 32 red-light cameras only after anticamera activist Beeber proved, using detailed accident data from LAPD records, that L.A. streets were no safer under red-light camera ticketing.

Johnson, a ranger since 1997, argues that the millions of dollars in ticket costs borne by local mountain visitors is justifiable because, "Unlike city streets, you can walk on our access roads (but) you can't walk down Ventura Boulevard. We want people to take their time in the park."

However, a fierce critic of the authority's ticketing program, Jack Allen, a retired Beverly Hills city attorney, says that what's really unfolding is, "They set up a joint powers authority so they can do anything they want. It's a real gimmick."

The Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy, which was established by the California State Legislature in 1980, has been headed since then by Edmiston. While he has been praised for his stewardship in helping create recreational facilities and saving more than 60,000 acres from development, he also has been portrayed as pugnacious and high-handed, running the conservancy and the MRCA like fiefdoms.

Allen could be considered a frenemy of Edmiston's. They worked in the early 1980s to help create Franklin Canyon and Temescal Gateway parks. But Allen has for years fiercely opposed the stop-sign cameras, calling them illegal and a "rotten way to treat people." Today he sees Edmiston as a "con artist" who got around state law. In recent years, Allen says, he has "bitterly opposed" Edmiston on several issues, including the cameras.

In 2005, Los Angeles magazine called Edmiston "L.A.'s most powerful unelected official." Edmiston also is said to have acquired an Ahab-like focus on building the so-called Backbone Trail, which will stretch from Will Rogers State Historic Park in Pacific Palisades to Point Mugu in Ventura County, with Malibu Creek State Park in the middle. By 2010, 62 miles of Backbone Trail had been completed. Another three miles or so will be completed soon, says the National Park Service.

Meanwhile, government spending on parks and recreation has been slashed. To help make up the losses, the MRCA has widened its fundraising efforts. Buried on its website (mrca.ca.gov) under "Ordinance" is Section 4.2, which allows for "automated motor vehicle enforcement ... any photographic or video equipment linked to any violation-detection system that synchronizes the taking of a photograph, video or digital image with the occurrence of a violation."

The seven cameras record a detailed image of the violator's license plate, the time and location. When the citation arrives in the mail weeks later, it includes a sworn statement signed by a mountains authority officer or employee that "based on inspection of the recorded images, the subject motor vehicle was being operated in violation ..."

According to Allen, one Los Angeles– area woman got seven tickets before she realized there was a stop-sign camera pointed at the rear license plate on her car — or that she was a dangerous driver and violator. She had been taking her child to a regular activity in the park.

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UnhappyCamper
UnhappyCamper

This letter will go out tomorrow. I would love everyone that has received a ticket to join in on the fun. I am guilty as charged, very unhappy, and extremely disappointed in the MRCA.

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Mountains Recreation and Conservation Authority
Paul Edelman
5810 Ramirez Canyon Road
Malibu, CA 90265 

RE: MRCA Donation

Dear Mr. Edelman,

I was fortunate enough to spend a very nice day hiking the Temescal Canyon Loop in February. Although I’ve been to Los Angeles many times, this was my first time to your park. My girlfriend and I enjoyed taking pictures on a sunny day as we hiked up and down the mountain. It was a great experience and I would love to do it again. I visit our local, state, and national parks often and am always happy to pay the nominal fees to enter.

In fact, I had such a nice experience at your park I’d like to make a $100 donation to the MRCA. Your dedication “to the preservation and management of local open space and parkland, watershed lands, trails, and wildlife habitat” is admirable.

About a month after our visit, I was reminded of the pleasant experience when I received a letter from your staff. I was surprised the following month, when once again, I received another letter from your staff.

I would like to send this donation as soon as possible. Unfortunately, money is tight these days and I have a small favor to ask. I would appreciate a refund of the fine and late fee I incurred for an alleged “traffic violation”. As the registered owner of the car, I paid the $100 fine, plus the $10 late fee, plus the $2.95 “convenience” fee. When I called your staff to ask for a refund they suggested I contact my bank.

In addition, I would like to thank you and your staff for sending me the video of my car, with no apparent driver, slowly passing by the beautiful scenery. Your prompt payment of $112.95 will allow me the necessary funds to send my donation and once again return to your lovely park.


Sincerely,



Proud Californian

huguette Anhalt
huguette Anhalt

I just received a $529.00. Photo ticket in Beverly Hills. Are they insane? I'm a 68 year old woman with a very very limited SS. income. Can someone help me with this. Do I really have to pay this ticket? I thought they changed that ticket process. Let me know what I can do.PLEASE. PSUGET@YAHOO.COM

Chronos380
Chronos380

Funny how no one suggested stopping for the signs.... I have seen an exponential increase of rolling red light and stop sign violations all over the country... mostly Toyota owners trying to save a penny on gas... or Honda jokers who think their junkers with bad mufflers are invisible... Now that ou have gotten me started , what is it with smokers who think the streets are their personal ashtrays?????

Pretty_izah
Pretty_izah

my neighbor's half-sister got paid $17948 last month. she is making cash on the internet and got a $528600 condo. All she did was get blessed and follow the advice uncovered on this web site ...MakeCash10.comONLY

kana_mae
kana_mae

my neighbor's half-sister got paid $17948 last month. she is making cash on the internet and got a $528600 condo. All she did was get blessed and follow the advice uncovered on this web site ...MakeCash10.comONLY

jasporia
jasporia

Those tickets are bunk but at the same time I'm sure the parks are revenue short.Instead, they should have some kind of kiosk - had a good time today? donate to the state parks.

Ziggystardust78
Ziggystardust78

There is a facebook group "Free our parks" dedicated to bringing the mountain authority down!

Valet parking
Valet parking

High parking fees in the valets parking areas.The cost of tickets of valet parking has increased a lot in last few years.

Mustafa Kemal
Mustafa Kemal

If you ignore it they will sent it to a bill collector. However, it should not go on your credit report.

Buford
Buford

I got one of these scam tickets, and ignored it. Guess what happened? That's right. . . nothing.

twilight and needs to go away
twilight and needs to go away

jon, you are ignorant. The "Park Service" is NPS or National Park Service. These guys go by the MRCA and are run by Joe Edmunston. There is a big difference between CA State Park Rangers, National Park Rangers and this agency.State Parks and NPS would NEVER consider photo enforcement. Joke.

jon
jon

ATTENTION TOPANGA LOOKOUT VIEWERS: The other thing the Park "Service" will do is ticket you for being there after dark. One of the greatest places to go to view the valley on a clear night and it closes at dusk. Do not! vote to turn over anything to the park service from now on. They always ruin it. Always.

Vera
Vera

All of these people are the biggest crybabies I've ever seen. And shame on the Weekly for not even proposing the most obvious (and free!) solution: COME TO A COMPLETE STOP. Like you're supposed to. But oh no, that extra 14 seconds (averaging two seconds per stop sign) must be just too much for these self-entitled whiners.

Thor Fribbel
Thor Fribbel

Like Vera I embrace corruption by fascist authority. Can you imagine the revenue putting up speed trap cameras on all our highways? Let those whiny commuters pay up for violating my law...I mean the law.

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

Another silly post from an MRCA shill who fails to read any of the previous comments or links showing how these stop signs are placed in inappropriate locations that are meant to confuse drivers. If you want to live in a society that follows you with cameras all day long just waiting for you to step out of line for extrememely minor errors in behavior, you are certainly free to advocate for that, at least for now until that right is curtailed under a heavy handed government scheme. And I'm sure "Vera" never does anything wrong, ever. She never pauses at a stop sign rather than stopping for an arbitrary few seconds, she never drives even 1 mph over the speed limit, she never fails to use her directional signal even when pulling into or out of her driveway at 3 am with no one around. Maybe we should follow her around all day long with a camera and report every thing she does wrong to the police. I wonder how she'd feel about this then.

Valet parking
Valet parking

The problem of parking is getting high and high,you not find the secure or valet parking in the city easily,you may park your car in secure place and in valet parking but you have to pay lot for the getting the parking place.

Justin Thiele
Justin Thiele

I got one of these tickets a year ago, in Franklin Canyon. All it took was a little research to figure out it was a wholly civil "violation"; that is, I could safely ignore it with no consequence. And here I am a year later. No boots on my car, no license points, no ding on my credit report. I visit MRCA sites often and no rangers have confronted me about it.

Watson
Watson

HAHAHA, you left wing nuts in Cali deserve this OBAMAification of america. Kneel to your Comrade King.

Guest
Guest

@ Watson: That doesn't even make any sense...

jon
jon

Yes, it does. He's a bleeding nutcase.

Markwesterdale
Markwesterdale

Because stop sign cameras are illegal on California roads (according to CVC 40518(a)) and the warning signs should be 30" wide, 42" high, and 6 feet above the pavement according to Caltrans specifications, it is Edmiston and the MRCA that should receive citations in the mail for these violations.http://www.highwayrobbery.net/...I still think automated traffic enforcement cameras should be painted bright fluorescent yellow.

(I suspect that there are more automated traffic enforcement cameras in the other 49 states compared to California.)

Ghsehthtsrhrts
Ghsehthtsrhrts

someone needs to just go up there at night with thick rubber gloves and a hacksaw. problem solved.

Jacob M
Jacob M

The comments of David Peahi are precisely on the mark, unfortunately. I have worked with officials from the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy, the Mountain Recreation Conservation Authority and other shell municipal corporations formed by Joe Edminston to fund and preserve open space in Southern California. While I appreciate much of the efforts of the Conservancy and its staff to acquire the land, its efforts to steward the land have been an absolute embarrassment.

The stop sign ticketing, which is just one more symptom of the corruption of our local government institutions, has been allowed by the State Legislature and the Los Angeles County District Attorney. To place stop sign cameras at remote locations such as these is unconscionable. There is one purpose and the data produced by the LA Weekly proves it: Joe Edminston is intentionally ripping off people to continue to build his empire. In my book, he is the lowest of the low and should have been fired long ago because he does not administer our public lands with integrity.

As David Peahi points out, exactly how does the public benefit from the Conservancy getting title to these lands if they are converted into industrial storage areas and trashed as a result of unrestrained movie filming (where the film company is not required to reimburse the taxpayers for loss of native plant life and erosion from destruction of plants that have held the soils for thousands of years) so Edminston can grub more more to build his empire. The Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy, despite its noble cause, is not run with any integrity and the Legislature needs to dissolve the Conservancy (just like the Legislature just dissolved the redevelopment agencies) and transfer the assets to a completely new entity with strict statutory limits on its authority and an increase in its stewardship responsibilities. Edminston and his corrupt little bureaucrats must go.

foRGer35
foRGer35

So where exactly do they get their cash from, if not through filming and tickets? Can't buy land without money. Are all of their parks storage facilities? Hmm. You sound like another Republican who can't wait to dissolve another well functioning government entity. Remember, your team is why the state has no cash..

Leppurds
Leppurds

Edmiston is an unelected tyrant and bully who uses his power to get his way! Just ask the poor folks in Ramirez canyon, who have been in a legal battle with him for years. He operates there out of a residential multi-million dollar estate he calls a park, but the is closed to the public. He has been trying to finance this white elephant by having commercial events at the expense of the neighbors, who he degrades and calls elitists.

twilightagency
twilightagency

State Park and NPS rangers....Distance yourselfs.

Lauren
Lauren

Maybe if people in Los Angeles actually came to a COMPLETE stop, this wouldn't be a problem. I have lived in LA for almost three years now, and seriously, every day I almost get side-swiped, squished, backed into, or cut-off. One of the contributing factors to the awful traffic is that residents are reckless drivers.

I think more measures like this might actually curb the driving habits in LA. I have a hard time sympathizing with people who get tickets because they broke traffic laws. You know how to fix that? DON'T BREAK THE TRAFFIC LAWS.

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

Do you ever drive a mile or two over the speed limit? Maybe we should install a device in your car to monitior you constantly and automatically send you a ticket the moment you exceed the speed limit by 1 mile per hour or don't use your directional signal turning into your driveway at 2 am when no one is around or when you make any of the other minor technical errors drivers make every day. I suggest you view the video and pictures on my website and then go out to some of these locations and see for yourself how confusing it is, why these violations will never result in any danger to anyone and how they placed these sign where they did with the sole intention of generating revenue, not improving safety. I'm not arguing that we should encourage people not to stop at stop signs but if the government comes after you, you want them to follow the laws we've set up that everyone needs to follow. Hey MRCA - DON'T BREAK THE VEHICLE CODE LAWS THAT PROHIBIT YOU FROM USING THIS METHOD TO TICKET PEOPLE. DON'T BREAK OUR HEARSAY LAWS IN COURT. DON'T BREAK THE LAWS THAT DICTATE HOW AND WHERE STOP SIGNS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PLACED. How about that?

nullhogarth
nullhogarth

You're a typical entitled whining 21st century jerk, and so are all the other punks who can't be bothered to obey the law. Just stop at the stop signs or else stop whining when you get caught."Confusing" my butt. There is a stop sign. Stop at it. Then proceed.

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

The people you should really be angry at are our elected officials in Sacramento. They have allowed this kind of thing to continue without reigning him in. Some have even facilitated this type of money grab. Contact your legislators and tell them what you think about this. All that it will take for these types of things to get more prevalent is for good people to do nothing.

By the way, we suspect that alot of the comments in support the cameras actually come from employees of the MRCA, including Joe Edmistion himself, posting under assummed names or employees of Redflex, the camera company.

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

If you want to see why drivers roll the stop signs in these parks, take a look at my most recent posts at saferstreetsla dot org Hint: they're placed in unusual and confusing places and they violate drivers' expectations. And the markings to show where you are supposed to stop are all worn away. For all of you “just stop at the stop sign” folks, maybe you should go out there and take a look around before you condemn people. By the way, when was the last time you drove a few miles over the speed limit? I hope you don't do that because it's a privilege to drive...

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

If you want to see why drivers roll the stop signs in these parks, take a look at my most recent posts at saferstreetsla dot org Hint: they're placed in unusual and confusing places and they violate drivers' expectations. And the markings to show where you are supposed to stop are all worn away. For all of you “just stop at the stop sign” folks, maybe you should go out there and take a look around before you condemn people. By the way, when was the last time you drove a few miles over the speed limit? I hope you don't do that because it's a privilege to drive...

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

If you want to see why drivers roll the stop signs in these parks, take a look at this post http://bit.ly/Ajs82t Hint: they're placed in unusual and confusing places and they violate drivers' expectations. And the markings to show where you are supposed to stop are all worn away. For all of you “just stop at the stop sign” folks, maybe you should go out there and take a look around before you condemn people. By the way, when was the last time you drove a few miles over the speed limit? I hope you don't do that because it's a privilege to drive...

fred
fred

This guys has to be stopped. He is extorting people and all the while trying to make himself look like the good guy and for the "common person". Meanwhile he lives in huge house behind gates and has lives an extremely comfortable life. He is making a boatload of money not only with these cameras but also threatening homeowners to block improvements to their homes in exchange for money to pay him off - like in the Malibu hills. He has to be stopped.

John Austin
John Austin

I'm confused about this article. Are we saying that they are delivering tickets to people who HAVE come to a complete stop at the stop sign? If so that is an outrage. If on the other hand the cameras are sending tickets to people who failed to STOP at the stop sign then whats the problem? You're required by law to stop at a stop sign. If you don't - you've broken the law. People aren't griping about being caught are they? I'm dazed and confused (so long its not true)

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

Part of the problem is the way they are catching people using a method not approved by the people of California. You wouldn't want to give them complete power to do anything they want with no constraints, would you? Would you want to live in that type of society? Also, the stop signs are placed in odd locations which confuse drivers and cause the violations they are then citing for. Third, the law dictates that when you do place stop signs or other traffic controll devices on a roadway you have to do it according to accepted engineering principles. The MRCA believes they don't have to follow any of the rules but then tickets drivers $175 if they make a technical violation. The MRCA claims drivers are "blowing through stop signs" but that isn't the case at all. Take a look at my website and you'll see what I mean.

Lauren
Lauren

If the cameras are placed in "odd" locations, then wouldn't that be even more reason for the drivers to pause and actually come to a complete stop when they see a sign?

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

You're not understanding by what I mean by "odd locations". And when people are confused about traffic control devices, they use their best judgement in how to respond. Unfortunately, the MRCA has set up a system that if you use your best judgment and stop at the location where you are likely to encounter the cross traffic or can see better, then you get a ticket.

Markwesterdale
Markwesterdale

Not only are stop sign cameras illegal on California roads according to CVC 40518(a) the cameras themselves are dangerous. A driver that has to take evasive action and hits the camera could be killed. If they are not removed they should be painted bright fluorescent yellow to warn drivers of the hazards that they face.

Tarak Xformer
Tarak Xformer

Sounds like some civil disobedience is needed, and some cameras need to be smashed, burned, cut down, painted, filled with epoxy, drilled and filled with expanding foam. Some of them cost something like $20,000 or more to replace.

......odd, why are all these hikers wearing masks and camo in the park now?

Max Bin
Max Bin

good to know so I never travel to that area and spend ANY money there

wldn'tUlike2kno~_^
wldn'tUlike2kno~_^

wow.. the parks system must be doing really poorly if they're resorting to extorting their clients.. but the guy is correct.. it's a private road. tho, i do hope the class action law suit is effective. just to read about this fat ass suffer a little..

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

Does not fit the definition of a private road. These are public parks where the public is explicitly allowed to go. It is public land, not private land.

ExNuke
ExNuke

What percentage of the take does Edmiston claim as his commission? Funny how these Green Crusaders out to "SAVE" the Whatever, manage to save it mostly from YOU and ME for their own pleasure and pay themselves really good money while they are at it.

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

Edimiston works out of Barbara Streisand's former mansion that she donated to the MRCA. For a public official, this is a pretty nice perk.

William Lockwood
William Lockwood

I'm surprised that Chicago doesn't have this yet.

SaferStreetsLA
SaferStreetsLA

If the people don't fight back now, they will have these everywhere. Government officials will be salivating at the prospect of being able to ticket millions of drivers and line their coffers with the dough so they don't have to make any difficult budget decisions, Like shooting fish in a barrel.

 
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