Joel Schumacher Interview

On Trespass as a sign of the times

In Joel Schumacher's new movie, Trespass, Nicolas Cage and Nicole Kidman play a married couple who live in an enormous, Dwell magazine–style megahome. Their marriage is not very sturdy and their teen daughter has started smoking and going to preppy parties where hip-hop is danced and rails snorted. Then (no big spoiler here) a bunch of lowlife bad guys invade the megahome, and all of a sudden the dangers of the outside world are now in.

You would have thought that in this age of rampant foreclosures and rallies against Wall Street, Hollywood would try to appeal to the increasingly shrinking middle class with a slew of "banks are evil" narratives. Instead, the studios and filmmakers have reacted to the current economic mess as they reacted to the social turmoil of the mid-1970s: by pumping new paranoia into the well-tested "home invasion" subgenre.

"It happens every day. We read news items of aggressions and transgressions and, while breathing a sigh of relief, think, 'What if?' We all live with this horror, the fear of potential home invasion." This, according to the Trespass press material, is how the initial premise for the film came to producer Irwin Winkler, who then hired a screenwriter to flesh out the story.

"It's a primal fear," Schumacher explains when I sit down with him in the offices of Millennium Entertainment in L.A.

But wouldn't much of the audience sympathize with the down-and-out home invaders rather than with the rich people inside the luxurious home?

"I definitely think everyone in the movie is very flawed," Schumacher says. "I don't know if the audience has sympathy for the family or not. It seems to be, in all the research screenings, that they do. Because they see them as a family that's made a lot of mistakes. But I have sympathy for the bad guys, too. They grew up in a world where no advantage was offered to them and maybe they took all the wrong roads. I don't know what the alternative was for them. Working at McDonald's? It's a rough life for people who've dropped out of school. Because the difference between the haves and the have-nots, now ..."

Schumacher trails off. He has experienced both sides of the social divide. The life of the 72-year-old director is one of those Horatio Alger success stories that seems unbelievable in the current economic climate of hopelessness, but it did happen.

Schumacher was born in 1939 in New York and, by his own reckoning, joined the working class during the Truman administration. "I've been working since I'm 9," he says. "My parents died when I was young.

"My dream since childhood was just to tell stories and make movies," he continues. "Back then we didn't even know who directors were. We went for the stories and the stars — which a lot of people still go for."

Schumacher studied design and fashion before taking small jobs in the film industry. He eventually joined Woody Allen's production team for Sleeper and Interiors. "Woody told me to write. So I wrote scripts on spec and they sold." He crossed into directing with TV movies and a string of profitable low-budget comedies. Schumacher's breakthrough was writing and directing St. Elmo's Fire (1985), the coming-into-adulthood film for many of the actors in John Hughes' Brat Pack, and the hugely profitable The Lost Boys.  "I didn't know those movies were going to be big hits," he confesses. "No one did!"

Schumacher credits his career longevity — Trespass is his 23rd feature as director — to his adamant refusal to be pegged to a specific kind of project. "When St. Elmo's Fire hit, they gave me all the yuppie movies, and I definitely didn't want to do that. Then Lost Boys hit and they gave me all the dark vampire movies. As each one became, fortunately, successful, I always tried to do something 180 degrees the other way."

When pressed for an answer about any auteurial imprint, Schumacher admits that he often likes "to put very flawed people [on-screen] and then stress them out" (see: Falling Down and Phone Booth). "You know," he says, "I don't make goody-two-shoes people. Roger Ebert once said, 'Joel Schumacher dares sometimes to make movies about people you don't like' — but I like them! They're just human.

"The movies I grew up on," he adds, "had dark endings, and sometimes tragic endings, and ironic endings. There isn't a lot of room for that anymore."

Schumacher says he finds ways to balance his darker sensibility with the Hollywood imperatives. "In Trespass," he says, "what happens to their family is what happens to a lot of families. The husband is so busy 'out killing the ox' that the marriage has been lost, and the parenting has been lost somewhat, and you see three people living totally separate lives with a lot of secrets and lies. They've reached too far. Cage and [the home invader played by] Ben Mendelsohn are two sides of the same coin. They both, in very different ways, coming from very different backgrounds, have overreached. There's that scene when Nicole says [about the house], 'You know, we didn't need it this big.' "

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Bruce Dickson
Bruce Dickson

The turn to violence of movies in the later 1970s like Straw Dogs probably has more to do with the collapse of support for the healthy moral imagination of teens than any thing else. You can read this connection clearly stated in the last few pages of Hands of Life by Julie Motz, I just finished. The rest of this topic of why corporations sell violence and can make money off it is in Joseph Chilton Pearce's topic of how brain growth is stunted in teens by sick culture.

Bruce Dickson
Bruce Dickson

Gustavo, what would be useful here in addition to a list of movies OUT of touch with the healthy progressive imagination of their times is a list of movies you consider IN TOUCH with the moral imagination of their times. On a blog this would eleicit comments.

Perhaps the fate of this topic is a longer magazine article for the Atlantic or at least the Nation or Huff Post.

Bruce Dickson
Bruce Dickson

Wow, you have a blog or book here: Bankrupt Imaginaiton, How corporate movie executives are as out of touch with their times as Wall Street bankers.

Suggest you send this to Jon Weiner of the KPFK 4 o'clock report. I think he would have yu on. Also Democracy Now. This is the story of how divorced many movie executives are from the moral imaginations of Main Street and the 99%. You are absoluely correct: why are there not more movies like It's a Wonerful Life and Mr. Smith Goes to Washington in both the 1970s and now?

Also in this topic is perhaps something about "spiritual movies" and how they run the gamut from wondrful (Field of Dreams) to useless (most fantasies that pretend to be spiritual).

Call me if you want to discuss this 310-280-1176. I wrote Meridian Metaphors, Psychology of the Merdians and Major Organs about connecting the dots between our issues and our illnesses.

 

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