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High-Speed Train to Vegas From Victorville

Just one hitch: You have to drive to Victorville

Anyone who attended high school in Southern California during the 1970s and 1980s had a fair chance of listening to a teacher predict that by the time the students were middle-aged, they would be zipping comfortably across California courtesy of a high-speed rail network.

It made sense, but then so did converting to the metric system.

Cultural resistance has kept Americans firmly rooted in their cars over the last 30 years, but a California high-speed rail line finally seems to be on the brink of reality. Groundbreaking is expected this spring on DesertXpress, a line whose appeal and prospects rest in its destination: Las Vegas.

But its fundamental risk lies at the other end of the line: Victorville, in the high desert, some 80 freeway miles north and east of downtown Los Angeles, atop the Cajon Pass.

Depending on who's asked, the proposed line ends at Victorville because crossing the Cajon Pass is cost-prohibitive, or the technology doesn't exist for DesertXpress to traverse the pass, or the backers have difficulty securing rights of way in the L.A. basin — or all of the above.

Tom Skancke, a founder of the multi-agency Western High Speed Rail Alliance, sees the Vegas-to–Southern California line as the beginning of a high-speed rail network linking Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City and L.A.

If that seems overly ambitious given the three-decade paralysis America has suffered on high-speed rail, Skancke says the stars finally are beginning to align for it. The Obama administration sees rail as a crucial element of its agenda, and states are desperately hungry for infrastructure jobs that will put large numbers of people back to work.

And in metro areas such as Greater Los Angeles, traffic lanes and airspace are simply at capacity, according to Skancke.

Attempting to add more is no longer a solution.

Xudong Jia, a professor of civil engineering at Cal Poly Pomona and an expert on travel-demand management, agrees that the time is ripe for the United States to develop a high-speed rail network, and that the Victorville-to-Vegas line offers a critical foot in the door.

The paramount question facing DesertXpress, Jia says, is whether the adage "Build it and they will come" will be true for the rail line, or will the Vegas power players behind it find themselves holding a multibillion-dollar stiff?

Supporters believe enough people will drive those first 80 miles from Los Angeles, then pull off the freeway at Victorville and plunk down a C-note for a smooth, fast and safe round-trip over the remaining 190 miles, preferring the train to the nightmarish traffic snarls and drunken drivers who often make I-15 a race with the devil: You never know what's going to happen.

Skancke says as many as 3 million of the 11 million Californians traveling to Vegas each year by car could make the jump to rail, with a peak weekend seeing as many as 150,000 riders on the line.

"The feasibility of this proposal really rests in how confident can they be that they will be able to draw enough passengers away from cars and planes," Jia says. "They have to honestly ask themselves, who is their rider? Where are they? How many of them are there? How often can they realistically be expected to make use of this line? What are they deriving their passenger projections on? Hopefully not Europe or Asia, since this is America and California, where an entirely different culture is in play. They are flying in the dark."

Since DesertXpress is seeking multibillion-dollar financing from the federal Railroad Rehabilitation and Improvement Financing program, an early death for high-speed rail in the California and Nevada deserts would leave taxpayers holding the bag and have profound implications for the future of passenger rail.

That's why the Victorville station is such a wild card.

"Their rider projections are pure speculation," says M. Neil Cummings, a Los Angeles attorney and president of the American Magline Group, a DesertXpress competitor. "The termination point in Victorville is just deadly, no matter how they try to spin it."

Cummings' group has long championed an alternative high-speed rail proposal that would use magnetic-levitation technology to take passengers from Anaheim and Ontario through Victorville to Las Vegas in nearly the same amount of time the DesertXpress would be able to whisk riders from Victorville to Las Vegas. Maglev, already in use in China and coming to Europe, can propel railcars at speeds in excess of 300 mph.

The DesertXpress project calls for electric cars on traditional steel wheels with top speeds above 200 mph. For all of maglev's ultimate promise — none of which is really diminished by the rise of DesertXpress — perhaps its greatest challenge was coming fast enough.

The maglev proposal seemed to have the wind at its back for years, but its fortunes shifted suddenly in Nevada when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, effectively dumped it during his tight 2010 re-election campaign in favor of DesertXpress. Reid's sudden horse trade smacked of crass politics, as DesertXpress investor and Nevada Republican power broker Sig Rogich announced he was forming "Republicans for Reid" shortly after Reid's announcement.

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Jt
Jt

As a las Vegas it makes me sick that such a potentially lucrative and just plain awesome idea as an L.A. to Vegas rail line could fall prey to idiocy and greed. Perhaps I am too ignorant of the details to say so but it sounds like there is some shady stuff going on regarding land deals and real estate speculation. I just don't trust Reid's word and i certainly don't trust the private investor's since they only need to see a small profit of an initial investments then they could just pull out before any disaster. I mean Victorville !!? come one, who are the lucky new millionaires that own the land in Victorville? No wonder Harry Reid is a millionaire though he barely had a grub stake when he came to Vegas a generation ago. This has nothing to do with politics, I just want this potentially GREAT thing to happen for our two states. I really hope my cynicism is unfounded and I am proved absolutely wrong.

Devojaharvey8
Devojaharvey8

It is a perfect idea, my daughter is planning to move to victorville or in the area. I and her sister were considering moving to Las Vegas, Nevada. So we could use the train for an easier commute times.

Amjichiefs
Amjichiefs

its a great idea, i would definitely drive to victorville and hop on the bullet train.....why drive another 2 to 3 hrs.... there are to many idiots on the road trying to get there so they can drink gamble.. ENJOY THE RIDE... get there drunk.. wlel that is if they serve alcohol

Edward
Edward

Actually, I believe once the High speed rail is built, Las Vegas and victor valley will be linked together, and the whole Victor valley will be part of Las Vegas, because it take only 90 minutes to get from Victorville to Las vegas or from Las Vegas to Victorville on an air condition high speed train. Victorville will be the fron door of Las Vegas to California, and Victor Valley will also be the front door of Las Vegas to California. Once you arrive Victorville from California or Asian , once you are on the train, you are in Las Vegas, because the Las Vegas vacation starts on the train heading toward Las Vegas, You can gambling , enjoy good foods, entertain your self once you are on the Las Vegas High speed train. If you come from Asia and take a long vacation with your family, most likely after having fun in California, you will head to Victorville, and stay one night in the Hotel in Victorville, and take the high speed train to Las Vegas the next day and continue your vacation, instead of driving 6 to 7 hours on High way 15 and fight the traffic. Once the High speed rail is built, the whole victorville will be lift up economically and boom, millions of tourists will stay here , and need lots new hotels, restaurants, and entertainment facility

Edward
Edward

Once the HSR between Las Vega and Victorville is built, it means Las Vegas is at the door step of Los Angeles, because Las Vegas Vacation will start at Victorville. Think about this, you make a reservation of the HOTEL in Las Vegas two days before you leave home in LA, and two days later , you drive one hour from LA to Victorville, and after parking your car, you Check in your luggage , ride on the High speed train heading toward Las Vegas on the train , you start to play the black jacks, have good food , and entertainment on your way toward Las Vegas, and Las Vegas vacation actually starts at Victorville . One and a half hour later the train stop at Las Vegas Central station, and you get off the train and ride on the shuttle bus from the hotel you reserve and head toward the hotel, and take a short break in the hotel, you continue the gambling in the hotel, so the vacation to Las Vegas actually starts at Victorville once the train is built. If you come from the east of the country, after the vacation of Las Vegas, you can take the train to sunny California, the train takes you from Las Vegas to Victorville , and after staing in the hotel of Victorville for one night, the next day you rent a car and drive to San Diago and enjoy the beautiful beach of California, and the next day, your plan take off at LA airport and take you back home in the east.

Verify before trusting
Verify before trusting

Someone should investigate what these founders and investors have been so successful at in the past to warrant their "trust us" approach on this project now or in the future.

Latonya "Keed" Bunn
Latonya "Keed" Bunn

"investigate what these founders and investors have been so successful at in the past"??

Stop the next 10,000 Obama supporters you see, and ask them to describe their candidate's top-three achievements before he ran for president. You know, accomplishments that showed he was ready to become the chief executive officer over the largest, most-complex, most-difficult-to-manage multi-trillion-dollar, multi-million-employee organization in American history. Be sure to bring a camera. The look on their faces will be precious.

Spydabyte
Spydabyte

Why would anyone want to take a train for the easy part of the drive and then lose their car as the tradeoff?

J
J

As a rabid rail supporter and frequent visitor of Las Vegas, I can say without hesitation that I would never drive to Victorville, or even Palmdale, then transfer to a train. That is just pure stupidity. And I am someone who will inconvenience myself to take the train.

The car portion of my trip needs to be local, just a little bit of a drive or cab ride to get to the station. Anaheim fits the bill, as it will for the majority of LA basin and OC dwellers.

Why can't we get out in front of technology anymore? What happened to the USA of the space race era? Have corporate interests really gotten such a foothold that we're actually considering doing something as incomprehensibly dumb as DesertXpress?

Let's do this, and do it right. Maglev!

Dram45
Dram45

A Maglev line Las Vegas-Anaheim is feasible and in the end much cheaper and effective than the "Train To Nowhere" Desert X-press.

MAGLEV selling points!

-Maglev trains can't de-rail, because the vehicle grips the track.-They are considerably faster both at top speed, acceleration and deceleration-They consume 30-40% less energy than desert x-press-The maintenance costs are considerably lower-The sound pollution is considerably lower-It uses much less land to build the track corridor-It is able to operate at a higher grade, making it easier to traverse hilly landscapes-It is less vulnerable to hard weather conditions

These are just a few of the benefits with Maglev.

Please remember that the traditional rail lobby is very strong and they will do anything to stop Maglev, no matter the benefits to the people and country.

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I agree with miguel2299. I have never seen a train come off the tracks after an earthquake here in the Lancaster / Palmdale area. The 1994 earthquake was a blessing for us because, thanks to FEMA, it brought the Metrolink up here in one week. The freeway had collapsed. The City Council didn't want to bring the Metrolink up here until after the year 2000. Apparently, the Almighty God wanted it here in Lancaster earlier. We needed passenger train service here so badly. We had not had train service since 1977 and when the Freedom train made a stop here. I am looking forward to the California High Speed Rail and the California - Nevada Maglev train.

Jdrcrasher
Jdrcrasher

At first glance, DesertXpress sounds like the better plan on paper. But when you look closer, it has so many flaws and "what ifs" involved. And Mark Cromer needs to do a better job of reporting. DesertXpress would use railcars that speed to 150 mph, not "over 200 mph".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

200 mph is only IF the Palmdale extension was built and the project connected to the California High Speed Rail system.

All in all, the Maglev proposal, while more expensive, is the better option in the long run.

AlanF
AlanF

Why does this project keep coming up? Who is going to park their car after driving to Victorville to take the train to Vegas and then be without a car? Also This line is for people visiting the Casinos and Vegas entertainment. So The Hotels and Casinos need to pay for this not tax payers. Let the people who profit from it pay for it. This being the case “they” the designers and builders can pick whatever technology they want.

In China where the only high speed Maglev line is in operation carrying passengers the Chinese government pecked conventional two rail electric HSR for their vast HSR network after evaluating and rejecting Maglev. What do they know that we do not know or vice versa?

Carter Rubin
Carter Rubin

"Cultural resistance has kept Americans firmly rooted in their cars over the last 30 years, but a California high-speed rail line finally seems to be on the brink of reality."

Ah the "car culture cop-out." My old nemesis. Maybe, instead of just calling it "culture" and moving on, you should mention the oligarchic power of the oil industry and highway lobbies who have succeeded for a half-century in getting politicians to throw almost a trillion dollars at highways and just under $20 billion at intercity rail infrastructure.

Sure, culture is at play, but you're telling a quarter-truth to just leave it at that. The federal and state governments have made driving and flying the only competitive travel options, so of course that's what people are going to do.

Would you say New York has a subway culture? New Yorkers ride the train because it's the cheapest, fastest, and easiest option for getting around.

PedroA83
PedroA83

do they not take into consideration that we live in Earthquake country?...one good shake, the rails shift, and you are on the Bullet Train of Death

miguel2299
miguel2299

earthquakes happen in socal all the time and I havnt seen any trains flying off any tracks in the 25 years i've been alive....

Justin Nelson
Justin Nelson

Which is why earthquake-prone Japan didn't build any high-speed trains at all. Oh wait...

Bob L
Bob L

Japan has stopped all its trains after the 8.9 earthquake. Lets see how long it takes the trains and subways running again. Such tragic pictures on TV.

 
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