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Armenian 03/06/2011 6:35:00 PM
In the mean time:
We have an update Bicycle Advocate Stephen Box:
Mr. Box failed to disclose the multiple judgments recorded against him that belie this characterization
: SIX liens in the past ten years, including at least two state and one federal tax lien.
This is the man to lead our city out of it's fiscal crisis???
Box also promises a "rose garden" of sorts on private property of Hollywood and Garfield as an Armenian Genocide Memorial Park is like planting weeds and false promises! We are not stupid
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03/05/2011 8:13:00 PM
Thank You Mayor Antonio Villaragossa for approving 1680 miles of bicycle trails in LA. You are the MAYOR of vision, sensibility and practicle a mayor with a vision for what this growing community needs. Personally I take the blue line to LA just to enjoy the city more than being in a car
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03/05/2011 7:51:00 PM
Thank you MAYOR ANTONIO VILLARAGOSSA for you genreous consideration to ceate 1600+ miles of Bicycle roots You are the MAN!!! A man of vision, sensibility and practicle
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jim 02/26/2011 3:11:00 AM
Dinah
The first of March is coming,
when it gets here wright down your odometer reading keep track of the time you spend in your car and at the end of the month see how fast you went. When i did that my speed was 19 miles an hour. You need to include sitting in traffic and driving around the block looking for parking.
As for distance my 5 mile figure is a radius and therefore round trips avarage 6 to 10 miles just google it or better yet while keeping tract of time spent in your car see how far from home are. Why do most accidents happen within five miles of home??
I never said to stop driving just to use a bicycle when it is the best choice.
We do not live in a black and white world. Stop signs and traffic lights were invented for and because of cars. Bicycles are not cars and are empirically different.
No harm no foul
By the way if you are fit enough to ski you can use a bike.
Still waiting to see you smile
jim
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02/25/2011 10:54:00 PM
"Horse & buggy were the primary mode of transportation in those days. FACT!
Roads and highways were built to serve their needs and later those of the motoring public, not to accommodate any massive bicycle traffic of the time."
Roads yes, but not PAVED roads, big distinction. The League of American Bicyclists was instrumental in getting roads paved. You really need to read up on this.
"As for your statement ==> "Yes we run stop signs but very rarely harm any thing".
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Mr. Cuddles 02/25/2011 9:34:00 PM
and one other thing. traffic lights were IVENTED to regulate car traffic. if we didnt have cars we could save BILLIONS on energy and infrastructure just to support you lazy fucks who need socialized subsidies just so your soft creempuff butts can mosey around to the box store to by more candy and junk food.
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Mr. Cuddles 02/25/2011 9:31:00 PM
he's not talking about trips to work dumbo. he's talking about ALL car trips some 50% of which are shorter than 5 miles which could, easily, be done by bicycle. Like they do in the Netherlands where 50% of ALL trips are by bicycle. LA is flat and has umpteen times better weather than the Netherlands. people here would easily switch if there were safer streets to roll on. that would free up A LOT of space for the long distance commuters who pour into town from 10-30 miles out. eventually there should be subways and light rail along all the freeways to encourage even more commuters out of the dead end car cycle. It would also help curb the OBESITY rate amongs our population. These fatso roll everywhere in their lounge chair vehicles blabbing on their phones sipping mocha frapuccinos with extra pumps of syrup for that ass and 20 years from now will need walmart scooters to hall them from the driveway to the sofa with a bag of chips! america! fuck yeah! bunch of creempuffs! meet my thighs bitches!
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02/25/2011 9:22:00 PM
wow Jim.. too many untrue "facts" in your post.
Maybe in YOUR neighborhood the average trip is 5 miles @ 19 mph, but not in mine or I dare say many others in LA. Most people commute well in excess of 5 miles just to work.
btw.. you got any sources for all these stats you seem to pull out of your keister?
What do you think settled this country? Bicyclists? heh sure.
Very few businesses/industries could function on just bicycle power.
Bikes were barely around the US in the 1800s and certainly not in any kind of mass production.
Horse & buggy were the primary mode of transportation in those days. FACT!
Roads and highways were built to serve their needs and later those of the motoring public, not to accommodate any massive bicycle traffic of the time.
In a prefect utopian world, bicycles would be a mode of choice for many people, but then they would be limited by range, weather, number of passengers and small details like the ability to carry loads & equipment.
And make no mistake bicycles do cost money to operate and maintain just like cars. There is a cost/benefit analysis for both.
Like I said in my prior post, BOTH have their application & place.
As far as "a car being a trap", a bike also traps you in other ways by limiting your range and conditions when you can use one.
Just try biking to Mammoth this weekend for some good skiing if you doubt my point.
Or maybe you feel you should be able to bike on ski slopes too.
As for your statement ==> "Yes we run stop signs but very rarely harm any thing".
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02/25/2011 9:18:00 AM
"First of all, it's not just a car, it's your freedom."
Did you pick that up from a car commercial? Private cars are the most socialized and subsidized form of transit there is. Those license and gas taxes don't begin to cover all the maintenance that's needed for roads. That comes out of the general fund. Gas prices are kept artificially low through oil wars and massive subsidies. Socialized transportation, get it?
"But if you disagree with the bike activists, off with your head."
STRAW MAN ALERT. Most bike advocates aren't the all-or-nothing types you want to portray.
"Try commuting 50 or 100 miles a day on a bicycle, regularly with kids, groceries & whatnot."
Guess what: Most people don't have that ridiculous kind of commute, even in sprawling L.A.! And if you do than no one is suggesting that you ride a bike all the way except your straw man.
"Roads and streets weren't invented for bicycling."
Nope, roads in this country were first paved for bikes. Cars came after. See any history book.
"Bicycle riding while fun, is in no way practical or feasible for most persons."
Partly due to bad urban planning that assumes that only private cars should be used to travel in a city. If you have that typical "bikes are sporting equipment, nothing more" attitude and shunt yourself from that possibility, it won't be. But plenty of people make it work just fine and it's convenient for them. Again, it's not all or nothing. Most car trips are under five miles. Many commutes are as well. Nobody is asking you to give up your car tomorrow, just realize that bikes can be practical for many circumstances.
"Interrupting traffic and other fascist power plays do not endure their cause one bit to the general public."
Bikes ARE traffic, they don't "interrupt" it. The only "fascist power plays" are the ones in your head.
"ESPECIALLY since virtually ALL bicycle riders refuse to obey even the most basic rules of the road, like stopping for stop signs (THIS), signaling turns, yielding the road and obeying speed limits."
Ah, the classic "scofflaw cyclists" fallacy. It's easy to cherry-pick and concentrate on the bad apples on bikes. After all, motorists never break laws. The reason why motorists are held to a higher standard and regulations is simple: CARS ARE DANGEROUS. Run a stop sign in a car or lose control while going too fast and you can kill someone to wreck another car. A cyclist breaking a law simply doesn't have the same potential for harm.
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jim 02/25/2011 4:59:00 AM
Wow sorry, but you understand,
most car trips occur in five miles of home. And i think that if you are a typical driver your average speed is 19 miles an hour. Cars were a good idea a hundred years ago when there weren't any. But today we spent hours looking for parking and waiting in traffic.
For a large portion of your personal transportation needs a bicycle your best choice. I am not saying never drive just to sell one of the family cars and buy new bikes. Spend between $700 and $1500 apiece. Get something with commuting in mind, fenders, baskets, comfortable upright handle bars and fat smooth tyres with a wide range of gears. get a bike for every one in your family. Kids ride to school!!
The groceries for the days meals go in the basket on your new bike.
Bicycles get the caloric equivalent of 1000 miles per gallon of gas. They run on food, make people smile, and help us meet our neighbors.
Right now most of the streets in Los Angles are empty and the roads we know the names of are full of cars, even if you are reading this at midnight the streets are like that. So we ride the bikes in the empty streets we don't know the names of. Yes we run stop signs but very rarely harm any thing.
The reason for stop signs is cars. Cars are dangerous. The many ton and monstrously powerful automobile will kill you. Respectful and Responsible cyclist treat stop signs as yields. lights for cyclists are stop signs. That is the law in the enlightened state of Idaho!
The first paved roads were paved for and buy cyclists this was in the 1890's. Every cyclist is one less car. Gas is going over $4.00 and the people in the middle east may well decide not to send us anymore.
Your car is not freedom. It is a trap. Your car robs you of money and time. Add up the cost; car-payments, insurance, maintenance, gas, parking, social isolation, emotional tax, rage.
Bicycles make people happy
Hope to see you smiling soon
jim
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02/25/2011 1:33:00 AM
And when will you correct the four times this article mistakenly calls the Los Angeles County Bicycle Coalition (LACBC) the "Los Angeles Bike Coalition"? This is a far more egregious and embarrassing error, especially coupled with the misinformation about LACBC's finances the article so gladly relays.
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02/24/2011 7:36:00 PM
Global Warming is a farce. Junk science. It is based on deliberately skewed interpretations of scientific data, put forth by social activists with an agenda to control all human activity.
...and Climate Change is Natural :
HERE are the 100 reasons, released in a dossier issued by the European Foundation, why climate change is natural and not man-made:
1) There is “no real scientific proof” that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from man’s activity.
99 more... http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138
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02/24/2011 7:30:00 PM
First of all, it's not just a car, it's your freedom.
Try commuting 50 or 100 miles a day on a bicycle, regularly with kids, groceries & whatnot.
Bikes can only be ridden by a small percentage of the general public and is conditional upon loads, health & weather issues.
Public transportation (albeit slow) and (shudder) cars are the preferred mode of transportation for an overwhelming percentage of peoples living in the LA area.
Bicycle riding while fun, is in no way practical or feasible for most persons.
So why should bicycles be afforded the exact same transportation preferences as cars and buses? Should 1000 cars and 20 bikers be equal in their access to city streets?
ESPECIALLY since virtually ALL bicycle riders refuse to obey even the most basic rules of the road, like stopping for stop signs (THIS), signaling turns, yielding the road and obeying speed limits.
Bicycle activists seem to feel that they are an entitled class not subject to the established rules of the road, especially those that bike in the 'trendy' areas of town.
Interrupting traffic and other fascist power plays do not endure their cause one bit to the general public.
Bicyclists complain when they come out on the losing end of a collision with a bus or car, yet they are the ones in most instances that are forcing these altercations.
Any bicyclist colliding with a large predictable city bus elicits no sympathy from me.
There needs to be a common sense balanced approach to transportation access.
Roads and streets weren't invented for bicycling, but rather for the automobiles and buses.
There are plenty of bike paths and parks for bicycling enthusiasts to enjoy all over LA.
Would you want cars & buses driving around in city parks, on the mountain trails or along the beach?
Of course not. There is a place for everything and everything in it's place.
Common sense tells you this.
But if you disagree with the bike activists, off with your head.
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02/20/2011 11:20:00 PM
Having survived more than 15,000 bike commute miles between Silver Lake and Westchester over the past three years, tmcg888 would have you believe I'm crazy, but I prefer to eschew such entrenched and unproductive negativity and see myself proactively as living proof that the streets as they are are not as dangerous to cycle upon as tmcg888 wants everyone to believe they are.
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02/19/2011 3:15:00 AM
Not to be a picker of nits but facts are facts and in at least four cases in this article, writer Hillel Aron misstates the name of the largest bicycle advocacy organization in town, the Los Angeles COUNTY Bicycle Coalition. (He writes of the Los Angeles Bicycle Coalition.) Had Aron or the LA Weekly editors spent a few microseconds on google, they would have found out the correct name of the organization. Had they gone a little further, they would have found LACBC's annual report online, and they would have learned that all the speculation about LACBC taking money from "organizations they're supposed to be influencing" has no basis in fact.
As a proud member of LACBC, I was pretty damn disappointed by this article's slanted take on my bike advocacy crew, and I was happy to see LACBC set the record straight with this letter:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1hTodCwi_0quDIB5RRIdOcXa788P67QrXA_B5q2J4B-c&pli=1
I think it's laughable that the article has its big culmination in a behind the scenes meeting with bureaucrats at CalTrans, as if these meetings are rare accomplishments. This kind of behind the scenes activism is bread and butter for LACBC.
This is the first time the LA Weekly has reported on a topic I was knowledgable about, and on a scene in which I actively participate. I gotta say, as a result of how poorly ya'll covered my scene, I'll look with skepticism on stories I read in your mag about anything else.
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02/18/2011 8:26:00 PM
See above. I never quoted you directly, just the article.
Are we being productive yet? I have to go and do nothing now, later.
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Alex Thompson 02/18/2011 6:00:00 PM
Joe - this is what the article says:
But Thompson complains that Klausner's organization does more harm than good: "I'm working for free, and I'm spending my time cleaning up work that [the coalition] do while they're on the clock."
The part between quotation marks is a quote. The part before it is not a quote, but a summary of remarks - hence the lack of quotation marks. There is a difference.
My remark was a response to Jen Klausner's remark that "Maybe they should sit down and talk to me about budgeting. I'm trying to run a nonprofit here." You have nothing to say about that?
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02/18/2011 3:34:00 PM
I was referring to: "Thompson complains that Klausner's organization does more harm than good"
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Alex Thompson 02/18/2011 8:59:00 AM
Joe - I am not quoted in the article as saying that "LACBC does more harm than good" - I'm quoted as saying:
"I'm working for free, and I'm spending my time cleaning up work that [the coalition] do while they're on the clock."
Don't misrepresent me.
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Alex Thompson 02/18/2011 8:26:00 AM
Joe - you were a lurker, which is to say you did not participate significantly. Allow then, that you maybe don't know what happened. Criticisms & disagreements are by nature negative, so your notion that we should "keep it positive" is sun addled California nonsense.
Ted - you're absolutely wrong that movements succeeded when they set conflict aside. First, many failed when they set conflict aside. Secondly, many have succeeded while in conflict. Lack of conflict may correlate with success - I remain agnostic - but it does not absolutely determine it.
Joe - stop coaching everyone and do something.
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Alex Thompson 02/18/2011 8:20:00 AM
First, you're right, it's not actionable criticism. In fact, it's not even criticism - it's evaluation. The statement evaluates their effectiveness. Re making an actionable criticism that is related to their effectiveness - I'm certainly able to do that, but I think you need to allow for the fact that if I did that, it may or may not be printed in the article.
I do think it is fair and productive to evaluate what orgs are effective and which aren't. Why do you, Joe Anthony, Critic of the Critics, think that we should not talk about effectiveness?
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02/18/2011 4:53:00 AM
I agree, sidewalk cycling is dangerous and that's why we should do what we can to make the streets more welcoming to cyclists.
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02/18/2011 4:49:00 AM
Maybe "hate" isn't the right word. But your remarks are typically marginalizing and condescending and meant to discourage anyone from questioning the status quo. Pre-hate, if you will.
What you consider "insane" is pretty easy and practical for a lot of people in L.A. right now, especially when combined with public transportation. We live in a relatively dry and warm city with big stretches of flatness, there's no reason why L.A. can't be more amenable to transportation cycling.
I'm not suggesting that the city remake itself overnight or that people drop everything to bike to work. I just think people can be open to it and that we do have some agency with how we live and the kind of city we want. It's not all or nothing. All it takes is some reasonable, subtle changes, and one of them is an attitude adjustment.
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Erikmar 02/18/2011 4:43:00 AM
Reading through the article and various comments, it's astounding that the argument that really should be at the core of the issue is almost entirely missing. The single largest and most significant issue of our generation - global overheating (along with our outsized contribution to it as US residents) - should be the first thing that comes to mind when discussing alternatives to the internal combustion engine running of carbon emitting fossil fuels. We need to put aside the irrelevant differences in lifestyle choices - in the guise of rights for those who prefer to cycle instead of drive (and I'm one)- and our national fascination with convenience - in the guise of commentary on congestion and travel time - and face up the the fact that we all need to drastically reduce our carbon emissions, and we need to start now. That's the real and most compelling reason to move away from reliance on the private automobile, and it trumps all the others.
The dominance of the private automobile came about through nation-wide policy choices, which continue to this day. Fossil fuel reliance is a heavily subsidized process, at literally every stage, from extraction to processing to delivery to consumption. The private automobile enjoys and has enjoyed public subsidies throughout as well. To end its dominance, we need to think larger than bike lanes and street designations. If we're serious about the issue, the _smallest_level we should address is a citywide reduction of speed limits on 35 mph streets to 25 mph. This would instantly make alternative - and less carbon intensive - modes of transport more competitive, and it would offset some of the many subsidies that the private auto and fossil fuel combustion currently enjoy. We should also advocate for different traffic rules for cyclists, along the lines of the Idaho laws. We need to end the financial incentives for private auto ownership, development of suburban sprawl, and fossil fuels. In an era where local and national government is cash-strapped, this, were it not for deep levels of ignorance and indoctrination, should have instant popular appeal. The public currently owns a large part of GM. In 1942, when we didn't own any part at all, we forced it to change its production line entirely, and it did so in around 6 months. Why can't we force it now to stop producing SUVs and convert to hybrid public transportation vehicles?
In sum, we as cyclists do ourselves and the public a disservice when we continue with the same thinking that is used to reinforce car culture, just with different content. When we emphasize our different "cool" lifestyle choice, or when we emphasize the convenience of cycling, or when we go on and on about "safety", we've adopted the talking points of car culture, which for decades has been hammering home exactly the same points.
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02/17/2011 5:38:00 PM
Time to re-read James Madison's Federalist No. 10. Fortunately for our country we have a form of government that is designed to protect the minority from the "tyranny of the majority." The majority of people in Germany from 1933-45 thought it was a good idea to marginalize, brutalize, and ultimately exterminate several "annoying" minorities. Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Communists, and Social Democrats had no protection from the majority there. A strained comparison, perhaps, but valid nonetheless.
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02/17/2011 5:29:00 PM
Riding on sidewalks is statistically far more dangerous than riding on the street. Drivers approaching from side streets and driveways are not looking for bicycles on the sidewalk. Sidewalk riding also reinforces the misconception many motorists suffer from, namely that bicycles should be ridden on sidewalks and do not belong in the street with cars.
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02/17/2011 5:25:00 PM
I can imagine the inconvenience the poor brides must experience with mountain bikes passing them closely and throwing mud onto their wedding dresses. Cyclists should be more considerate and not intrude on people's wedding ceremonies.
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02/17/2011 5:21:00 PM
Despite all the non-constructive criticism posted about this article, I have to say that it is a damned sight better than the pablum we are fed in San Diego. Our free newspaper (the San Diego Reader) ran a cover story recently on our growing cycling scene. It was poorly written with mechanical errors and faulty research. The writer failed to interview the right people. The overall effect was to perpetuate the negative stereotypes of cyclists and drive a wedge further between cyclists and the car-bound public. The overall tone was one of confrontation rather than of peaceful coexistence. So as an outsider I congratulate Hillel on a well-researched, well-balanced, and well-written article.
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Jill Stewart 02/16/2011 8:46:00 PM
Thanks wildbell, we've corrected the error regarding the California Cycleway.
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Quincy Atomz 02/16/2011 1:47:00 PM
I ride for leisure. I also have dealt with the dangers of drivers vs. riders. One thing I will not tolerate is bikes on Griffith Park bridal trails. You see, I also trail run and was almost hit by an illegal trail rider on two occasions. What is Box's view on legalizing bikes on the local trails? Labonge seems to say "no."
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02/16/2011 6:10:00 AM
James,
LA City Municipal Code disagrees with you. Riding bicycles on the sidewalk is legal in Los Angeles when not done "with a willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property" (LAMC 56.15). If you'd like to find out more information on the legality of sidewalk riding in LA County, read here:
http://ladotbikeblog.wordpress.com/bikes-on-sidewalks/
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Jamesfouhse 02/15/2011 10:44:00 PM
All these comments make the assumption that bikes get ridden on the street. So this morning I counted the bicycles on the streets and the ones on the sidewalks on Western between Sunset and Hollywood blvds between 8am to 9 am. 47 on the sidewalks. 7 on the street. The real danger of bikes is to pedestrians on sidewalks. I know I have been hit 33 times in the last 5 years by bicycles and the law says no bicyles on the sidewalks. I have never seen a ticket being given to a bicyclist for riding on the sidewalk.
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Tmcg888 02/15/2011 6:01:00 PM
Just because I state the facts as they are does not mean I hate anyone. You can't completely redesign a city of millions of people just because some people want to ride their bikes. Do you actually expect people to spend the thousands of dollars necessary to relocate and leave their homes and neighborhoods every time they get a new job so they can be closer to work? That is ridiculous. For the vast majority of people in Los Angeles commuting by bicycle is simply not practical and no amount of whining and complaining will change that FACT....
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market 02/14/2011 10:25:00 PM
Don't know why,
but it seemed that information is incorrect regarding a bicycle accident regarding Mr. Box,
as we found this:
"Last week Enci Box, who seems to be a magnet for bus drivers who don't understand the concept of sharing the road, run her into the curb"
http://la.streetsblog.org/2008/05/19/bus-v-bike-incident-highlights-lawlessness-of-metro-buses/\
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d. wasserman 02/14/2011 2:32:00 PM
what was this article about?boring. just was curious to why box gets the love from the weekly.because he is a cycling enthusiast? so are the other candidates. has box ever voted here? you may not like labonge but consider this: he is a doer.he is always working,helping out constituents,getting things done.he loves his job and our city.he doesn't sit around thinking of intellectual things to say.sheesh.i still have no idea why either candidate would be a better representitive of our district than labonge. shady,biased reporting.
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Jessica 02/14/2011 2:13:00 AM
This article really saddens me - and misses so much of the dynamic community of Los Angeles. I look forward to the day when people talk about the livable/bikable/walkalbe streets movement - it recognizes and respects all the many more than hundreds and hundreds of people who have been working on this one way to make their own communities better.
The Los Angeles Bicycle Coalition is an amazing organization - continually getting stronger and stronger every year. This article really seems to miss that sentiment. It's really undeserved.
Bicycling in Los Angeles is more than just about fit men - it's about people from all ages, abilities, language and economic backgrounds - this article really bummed me out in its limited viewpoint.
I truly appreciate the many people I see out in my community using transit, biking to work, walking to the store, walking their kids to school, working for public agencies, non-profits, volunteering in their spare time - and more. Thanks to all those people -- who are definitely due a lot recognition.
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Steward_2011 02/13/2011 2:41:00 AM
I was thinking the EXACT SAME THING! I was really getting bored with the story. At first I wondered why anyone would chase after a bus which is huge compared to a bike. It seemed it would have been easier to write down the plate number and go from there. Good Grief...I think this Box guy is trying to kiill himself in order to be a martyr. I remember that bus incident...and thought it was his wife that almost got killed?? Who knows. The story was a complete waste of ink.
There will be faithful followers like: Joey B, Chevy, David, Bob, James McC and etc.
the author of this story is most likely a yuppie friend of the Box, and Box has an attorney friend is most likely coaching Box on what to say.
If one looks at the transparent web page of candidate expenses, Mrs. Box GETS PAID with campaign funds, which are matched with our tax dollars!, Other candidates wives are volunteers.
Seems like Mr. Box is a copy of LaBonge. He FINALLY shaves his hair, has his picture in any event/opportunity possible; of course with his bicycle; claiming...ME ME ME
At a recent candidate debates; it seemed like Mr Box copied a lot body language that LaBonge had, which was odd at first ...then very entertaining ... I was then boxed in bored.
LaBonge and OGrady also ride bikes, they also have facebook accounts, they have planted gardens and trees and seem to be more positive in the way they approach different situations.
Now that this has been said...lets wait to see how many of box supporters will start jumping, become defiant and defensive. Apparently this is not a free world to express our own opinions of candidates.
.Has Mr. Box ever Voted as a U.S. Citizen?
I wouldn't want someone chasing me with his bicycle! Good Grief...the freeway will surely be backlogged!!
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02/12/2011 9:48:00 PM
The LA Bike Plan is a good example of this. I'm a mere lurker in the process, but it was great to see everyone working together toward the end.
This is important. There are a lot of other lurking cyclists out there that might get more involved if not for this kind of drama. Criticism, disagreements, inter-org coordination, all crucial, but keep it positive.
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02/12/2011 9:00:00 PM
Alex, you are right that most or all significant social movements have had internal conflict; however, they have succeeded when they set that conflict aside to work together for a common goal.
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Marino 02/12/2011 8:17:00 PM
Stephen Box and Alex Thompson in front of a green screen. Then superimposed over LA's recent bike history. Events they had nothing to do with but take credit for anyway. This article is the Forrest Gump of cycling in LA.
The article is supposed to be about bicycles and Tom LaBonge but nowhere is it mentioned that LaBonge is an avid cyclist and has organized dozens of family bike rides in every neighborhood in his district.
Instead of writing why Mr Box, the object of the writer's admiration,might do a better job than LaBonge, a lot of ink is spilled to tell us why Thompson/Box are better/smarter than all the other bike advocates put together.
Another hack piece at the new non-union LA Weekly.
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Alex 02/12/2011 7:47:00 PM
This big long jack-off session of jobless "bike activists" is wasted print unfortunately for Box who is actually on the right side of a lot of issues (I think.) Could have spent 6 pages detailing his plans for office, but instead here we are babbling about group bike ride history. The front page of the LA weekly is communist red with communist style typeface. Yep, that will win voters.
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02/12/2011 7:20:00 PM
My criticism was aimed at the article itself, but your statements like the LACBC "does more harm than good" aren't rational or productive, and a source of the article's bias.
That's nowhere near actionable criticism.
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Alex Thompson 02/12/2011 6:43:00 PM
Criticizing the critic, eh? You knock me vaguely. At least my criticisms of LACBC have been specific and clear so that they are actionable. I don't understand why orgs criticizing each other is a bad thing? It leads to higher quality work and demands better coordination.
The conflict between bike orgs is real and natural. There's never been a significant movement for social change that hasn't had lots of internal conflict - not one. Seeking peace between LACBC and all the orgs they've dissed over the years ought not to be the focus - getting things done ought to be the focus. Getting things done doesn't require getting along all of the time, or even most of the time.
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Alex Thompson 02/12/2011 6:36:00 PM
My hunch is "Considerate Driver" is a cyclist - I smell irony.
And that cyclist owning the lane on Centinela coulda easily been me, except for the part about wiper fluid and getting pulled over.
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02/12/2011 7:48:00 AM
I'm not going to pretend there aren't any knucklehead bikers out there, of course there are, I see them and ride with them all the time. Having said that, the real problem you are late for whatever it is you are going to is from people who don't know how to drive, know how to obey the rules and end up causing accidents. The time you lose to waiting behind a bike, seconds. The time you lose due to an accident caused by a car, much longer.
Promoting bikes in LA is a win-win situation for everyone. More bikes equal less car, less congestion and less pollution. And for the record, no one is forcing you to ride a bike, the whole point is that bikers need to be respected by not just drivers but also the city.
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02/12/2011 7:07:00 AM
Tom Labonge has made both Box and O'Grady look like geniuses. Yes, both are smart men. I give a nod to Box because he has breadth of knowledge on key City issues and has actually done several end runs around the bureaucracy and politicians of Los Angeles to accomplish goals and to help people who have to fight City Hall instead of City Hall working with them.
Although he is a nice guy and has a knowledge of LA history, LA Bonge is indeed a lightweight mentally and his time has come.
"Anyone But Labonge" Please do it for the next generation who will have to suffer all the mistakes of current batch of incumbents.
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02/12/2011 5:33:00 AM
Wow, no way man now that is jsut too cool!
www.anon-toolz.edu.tc
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anonymous 02/12/2011 12:55:00 AM
I've refrained from supporting Box for one reason only that he was a bike advocate. However, having listened to him and reading his articles, I found an extremely intelligent and honest guy who is so badly needed in our City. I'm sure he will go beyond the bike only issues and make our city the sustainable city claimed by idiots like our Mayor & Labonge who don't have a clue to its meaning. To put things in perspective, the Daily News today endorsed Mitch Englander, Greig Smith's Chief Deputy, for Council, despite him having collected almost half a million dollars from developers with the caveat that they hope he will do good by the men and women in CD12 who will vote for him. LA Times endorsed him also because he collected the most money, with no questions asked about where he collected them from.
Such is the moral depravity of our societ that is openly promoted by two leading dailys. By golly, if such corrupt people are being endorsed by them, then just what is the problem of supporting caring and honest people like Box and Brad Smith in CD12? We finally have a chance of ridding this city of corruption controlled by developer dollars.
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02/11/2011 10:09:00 PM
Honestly I don't buy the idea that you lose much time to bikes. Most congestion is caused by cars. Think about how much time you lose to cars vs. bikes in any given week, I guarantee you bikes cost you seconds and cars cost you hours.
Car drivers should welcome cycling and encourage it. If more people rode bikes for short trips and commutes then that's fewer cars on the road to get in the way.
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02/11/2011 10:04:00 PM
The bike rider was doing the right thing, as recommended and allowed by law: Commanding the lane to stay visible and predictable. There is no minimum speed on the road.
Sharing the road means respecting slower traffic and passing slower traffic. You lost a few seconds to a bike, it probably pales in comparison to the hours we lose every week to the real cause of congestion: too many cars.
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Wells_hg 02/11/2011 10:00:00 PM
Get yourself a dictionary, Mr. "Considerate," and check "assault" while you're at it.
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Considerate Driver 02/11/2011 9:50:00 PM
Distracted drivers are a big problem in LA. But that doesn't justify bikers to be inconsiderate and self-absorbed to interfere with the traffic needs of the rest of us. While it's great that some of you can afford to spend hours on a bike getting around town, most of us don't have that luxury of time.
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Considerate Driver 02/11/2011 9:47:00 PM
Had a bike-fanatic driving up the middle of the right lane on Centinella a few weeks back. No one could get past him without merging over in heavy traffic. He was going very slow and nearly got hit a few times as no one expects a dumb ass to be riding 15 mph in a 40 zone in the middle of a lane. When it was my time to finally get past him, he got a nice drenching from my wipers. And then he got pulled over for putting his own life at risk by riding like a fool. I doubt he learned his lesson. Maybe after he's run down.
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Been There 02/11/2011 9:42:00 PM
I bike commuted for several years from Hollywood into downtown LA. I had a few close calls, but those were all due to when I was pushing it. By using common sense and watching my own backside, I was able to get from point A to point B alive and well. I'm all for bike lanes and increased accomodations for bike riders, but there is only so much room on old streets, which also needs room for car parking. When I am driving a car, I will always try to give a bike some extra room as I pass. But in the end, bikes need to drive defensively first, because you will be on the painful end of a turf war with a car, regardless of the rules of the road.
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Bubba Sticky 02/11/2011 8:11:00 PM
Porgy~ Please crawl back under your rock and let the rest of us get on with things
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Bee 02/11/2011 5:50:00 PM
This is such a male perspective of the bike organizers in Los Angeles. There have been numerous female figures in the bike scene that have had significant impact on the bike roots that you seem to have completely omitted. There was Kim Jensen and Mabell, founders of Midnight Ridazz, Aurisha Smolarski and Dorothy Le who worked with LACBC, Liz and Shea at CICLE.org and the list goes on. Many of these women were doing bicycle activism even before Box or Thompson even got in the picture.
The bike scene would not have been a bike scene without the contributions of these and many more women. You cannot give a picture of the LA Bike Roots without them.
If you're going to write a historical story, please get all of your facts.
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02/11/2011 3:06:00 PM
Sorry to be a picker of nits but facts are facts and in at least one case in this article, writer Hillel Aron got an historical one dead wrong. Aron writes that the California Cycleway was a completed project spanning nine miles from Pasadena to Los Angeles at the turn of the century. Had Aron or the LA Weekly editors researched it a little further they would have found that only the first 1.25 miles of Horace Dobbins' extraordinary concept were completed, it's progress toward downtown irreversibly halted at South Pasadena in large part by the arrival of the automobile.
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02/11/2011 9:59:00 AM
"Bicycling here will never be practical for the vast majority of people."
Due largely to the attitudes of haters like yourself.
"Most people in Europe don't live 20,30, 40 or more miles from where they work."
Are you saying this is a good thing? Minimalls, big box stores, and tract homes? This is what happens when you design a city around cars and cars only. We can do better.
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02/11/2011 9:54:00 AM
Your post doesn't make much sense. Sounds like you should work on your own "method and mentality" before judging someone else's.
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02/11/2011 12:51:00 AM
Porgy, it's not just hipsters daydreaming, it's doctors, lawyers, plumbers, electricians, etc, who want a culture change. And for those people who "need" to get to wherever they are going quicker, perhaps your acrimony towards cyclists would better be placed at your fellow drivers, who like to talk and text on their phone and end up holding up traffic because they are distracted.
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Porgy 02/11/2011 12:34:00 AM
A very sad group of hipsters daydreaming of the revolution while simultaneously wasting their lives and endangering themselves and others on the road. Regardless of the validity of the cause, this fails because of the method and the mentality. What is good about usurping public roadways for private use? How, absent a license, is it not prosecuted? Does the average person who missed her children getting to bed, or an important meeting, or the passing of a friend in the hospital, go home - late - and decided to abandon her car? In a similar fantasy, a group of anti-war activists have been jumping in front of trucks leaving gun manufacturers... and it's not working, either.
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02/10/2011 9:06:00 PM
Great piece and go Stephen!
Loving the bikey coverage, but echoing the sentiment of others, this article is lacking objectivity.
In all fairness to the LACBC, "many cyclists" would probably disagree with the extent of Alex Thompson's criticisms, and some may feel the same way about him. ;0) The LACBC diss just seems kind of unnecessary IMHO.
I ride every day in Los Angeles and am grateful for the hard work of all of L.A.'s bike advocates and orgs. Here's to hoping they all continue to do great things, together, in 2011. Thanks!
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02/10/2011 8:49:00 PM
Going into this story, I eagerly and erroneously thought I would learn a little more about Mr. Box and his vision for what he could do for the City of LA. Instead, I wasted my time reading a rehashed version of every cycling story of the last half decade. I suppose this story would be of use to someone who just woke from a coma but there's not really much point of it for anyone else.
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02/10/2011 8:34:00 PM
"Most people in Europe don't live 20,30, 40 or more miles from where they work."
They don't because they had the sense not to plan a city around long commutes. Sprawl is what leads to that.
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02/10/2011 8:32:00 PM
Oh, great all we need is more anonymous posters who complain reflexively about anyone doing anything. You're the whiner here, pal.
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02/10/2011 8:12:00 PM
Stephen Box Looks Out For The Little Guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR0kknfFKjs
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safe streets northridge 02/10/2011 7:53:00 PM
Hello. Get the facts straight about Northridge. The local residents WANTED to keep Wilbur a calm residential street not a "SPEEDWAY" as Sandy Banks, an LA Times columnists and PORTER RANCH resident called it.
It is PORTER RANCH who is driving the recall on the road diet NOT the locals who actually live on the street!
300 + signatures were signed by LOCALS in the neighborhood that support the road diet because it calms speeders blasting through their neighborhood.
Furthermore the whole process is being dictated by a Porter Ranch friendly City Council office in CD12. The residents against all odds are working to hold on to the newly calmed street.
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02/10/2011 7:28:00 PM
Stephen Box looks out for the little guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR0kknfFKjs
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river straddler 02/10/2011 7:01:00 PM
without 'activists' the city council as it exists would be funding pet projects like a TAXPAYER funded football stadium. everyone has what you'd call a pet project. but it they get the votes, suddenly they're on the council responding the needs of the constituents. why don't you run as a taxpayer advocate?
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Igor 02/10/2011 6:48:00 PM
The cool thing about Stephen is that, while his bike advocacy is awesome and effective, he is also awesome and effective on a whole bunch of other issues, too!
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Keforbes 02/10/2011 6:12:00 PM
Go.. Box.. Go !!! I'm all for your enthusiasm, style and message. But please be careful out there, both in the boardroom and in the street. ..... and when possible, encourage other cyclists to have a little more respect and dignity than the flippant anarchist cyclists in San Francisco's critical mass. You'll get more ground... 3 feet maybe....with honey than vinegar. Ride on, brother, ride on.
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taxpayer 02/10/2011 5:54:00 PM
Oh, great all we need is another do nothing whiner and complainer activist who thinks they can do something better. We should vote for him because he rides a bike and wants his pet projects funded using taxpayers money.????? Get a real job and start stimulating the USA economy.
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02/10/2011 5:52:00 PM
Its about as close to 'grass roots' as LA gets - Cyclists get to see the City a whole different way. Once you're on a bike, you're on the street and once on the street you hop a bus and maybe eat at a Taco Truck and maybe wonder thru a parts of LA that have specially made tamales at Christmas or serves Pad Thai.from a food cart - where you talk to people and feel part of a City. A City where 244 languages are spoken with countless ethnic food restaurants and award winning bus system - things no one can understand from behind the wheel of a car - things LA people see and feel in London, Buenas Aires, Havana or Philadelphia.
So its a natural for a candidate like Box to bring it all together in a race for City Council and show us that its about being part of a City....not potholes, not DWP billing statements, not city worker lay-offs .....but a thing called CIVIC PRIDE. High time we got it here and showed what citizens of a great city are all about and how they make their City work.
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Tmcg888 02/10/2011 6:56:00 AM
This isn't Europe so let it go. Most people in Europe don't live 20,30, 40 or more miles from where they work. Bicycling here will never be practical for the vast majority of people. With all the distracted drivers here you would literally have to be insane to bicycle on Los Angeles streets. I say this as someone who knew two people killed on bicycles...
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Biker 02/10/2011 6:16:00 AM
One important issue that is rarely if ever discussed in relation to bike riding is prestige/status. As long as people are judged by whether they own a car and what kind of car they own, things won't really change much. We don't have the 50-100 year old bike culture they have in Europe. Sure, a few cool peeps will ride bikes and the city will put in some extra bike lanes, but you're not getting SoCal folks to give up driving, ever. Unless gasoline hits $10-15 a gallon. In that case only the rich will be able to drive and we'll have the working class and the middle class rioting. It will make the Egypt revolts look like Sunday in the park.