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What Killed Prop. 19?

Historic effort to legalize marijuana returns in 2012

In the end Proposition 19, which lost Tuesday, was more than a pipe dream. A long-shot campaign by a one-man band — a pot-shop owner from Oakland — turned into a bona fide movement to reconsider America's long-standing marijuana prohibition.

It made national headlines, won support from unions, civil rights groups and even some law enforcement organizations, and, supporters say, took one giant step toward a full-on legalization effort that will likely return to California in 2012.

Stephen Gutwillig, state director of the pro-legalization Drug Policy Alliance, said it was a respectable loss.

"It validates the analysis that prop. 19 has permanently impacted the national debate and moved marijuana legalization into the mainstream of American politics," he said. "We came up short tonight but it's clear it's an issue people take seriously."

Yeah, Prop. 19 came up short and burned out a few weeks before the election. Polls in the summer that had suggested enough support to pass the thing had faded by fall.

But the euphoria it created, backers say, will linger.

"On the 'yes' side there wasn't a consensus that this was the year," says Gutwillig.

The movement may be even stronger for that. "Regardless of the outcome, it clearly has been an enormously valuable exercise, because Prop. 19 has moved the debate forward nationally and forged an unprecedented reform coalition," Gutwillig says. "We cannot understate the significance of bringing mainstream civil rights organizations and labor unions to this cause for the first time."

Unlikely factions supporting the initiative, which would have allowed Californians 21 and older to possess up to one ounce of pot, included the state's largest labor group, the Service Employees International Union, the California NAACP and the police group the National Latino Officers Association.

But it often appeared as though defiantly independent Richard Lee, the Oakland medical marijuana–dispensary entrepreneur who launched Proposition 19 single-handedly by bankrolling a petition drive, was riding solo.

Just one week before the November 2 election, the first significant contributions other than his own were made to Proposition 19: Billionaire George Soros made a last-minute, $1 million bet on the measure and suddenly the campaign could buy a front-page, wraparound, full-color ad in the Los Angeles Times.

Too little, too late?

"The big problem in any campaign is getting the troops out," says attorney Bruce Margolin, L.A. director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), and the subject of L.A. Weekly cover story "Proposition 19 Dreams of Legal Weed." "It takes money and time. There wasn’t much here in this particular campaign."

A number of well-organized forces for cannabis decriminalization appeared to stay on the sidelines until late in the game. Many didn’t want a legalization measure on the ballot during the midterm election, preferring to put the question before voters during the big dance in 2012, when presidential politics ramps up interest and shakes out cash.

"Richard Lee took the lead on this," says Gutwillig. "Mainstream drug policy–reform organizations initially advised waiting for the more hospitable electorate in 2012."

Besides a lack of cash or wholehearted backing from its own pro-legalization brethren, Proposition 19 might have suffered from the bad taste left in the mouths of otherwise sympathetic folk in the pot-shop capital of the country, Los Angeles.

The most recent California Field Poll had Proposition 19 losing 51 percent to 38 percent in Los Angeles County, a region where pot is, in practice, almost legal because of the ease of obtaining medical marijuana.

Coincidence?

Eagle Rock neighborhood activist Michael Larsen notes that it took the Los Angeles City Council many years to get its medical-marijuana dispensary ordinance in order. In his view, Los Angeles–area voters were down on Proposition 19 because they imagined the havoc it would wreak when that rubber-spined political body had to make even more complex decisions. (Proposition 19 left taxation and regulation of retail cannabis up to cities, towns and counties.)

"If we thought the medical-marijuana thing has been out of control, this would compound that," Larsen says, noting the "huge silent majority in Los Angeles who are fed up with pot shops."

While Proposition 19's backers said the measure asked a clear question — legalize it or not — foes said the language of the initiative was disturbingly vague, leaving questions of day-to-day regulation to local jurisdictions. Voters were also left uncertain how the measure would stem the drug cartel–driven supply lines of today's pot scene.

"There were too many unanswered questions to give it wholehearted support," says "No on 19" spokesman Roger Salazar. "It just wanted to legalize use without a prescribed and controlled structure."

Still, backers say Proposition 19 did a noble job of setting up another run at legalization, probably in the presidential-election year of 2012.

Says Gutwillig of the Drug Policy Alliance: "This issue is not going anywhere and is likely to be stronger because this debate has placed reforming failed marijuana laws squarely in the mainstream political discourse."

 
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Valenzuelacindy
Valenzuelacindy like.author.displayName 1 Like

We need to vote yes the only ones who are against are the ones who are making good money on it now from their clinics. If its legal they will have more competition. I can't get a job, i can't get into college because of the cuts and I can't afford rent. California lets get this economy on track every other country is laughing at us.

CAMMJ
CAMMJ

Completely agree!  I can't get a job because I'm a MMJ patient and every damn employer wants to test for marijuana.  They won't accept my rec because the stupid feds think they know whats best for us from 3000 miles away.  All this discrimination against MMJ patients needs to end.  Total legalization is the way to go!  I'm also sick and tired of seeing drug dealers get rich by opening and running fake MMJ collectives that really don't give two shits about patients.  Imagine how great life would be if California left the Union.

CYBERKICK
CYBERKICK

AND CALIFORNIA WILL BE THE ONLY STATE WHERE MARIJUANA'S NOT LEGAL ...

CYBERKICK
CYBERKICK

CALIFORNIA SHOULD NOT HAVE TURN DOWN THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEGALIZE MARIJUANA' CAUSE THE FEDS HAVE BEEN UP EVERYONES' ASS! THANKS CALIFORNIA!

Mikaeldrache
Mikaeldrache

Richard Lee and George Soros are fucking heros who fought the good fight, but for the criminal northern california growers, we would have been victorious. SHAME ON THE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA GROWERS! I say ARREST THEM, TREAT THEM LIKE THE CRIMINALS THEY ARE and see how fast they reconsider legalization!

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Michelle
Michelle

Prop 19 failed in part due to opposition from pot clubs. I received an email from my dispensary urging a "no" vote, giving the rationale that it would reduce the amount a currently legal medical patient could possess. It was pretty clear that they feared a loss of their franchise, which is limited to a very small number of clubs in my city, and a loss of profits due to the projected drop in price.

What I find hilarious is that Schwarzenegger is promoting the decriminalization of the possession of small amounts of marijuana by saying, "no one cares if you smoke a joint." What he is really saying is, "the state does not want millions of tax dollars and could care less about criminal cartels controlling the largest industry in California."

joshua grant
joshua grant like.author.displayName 1 Like

Now i can understand that it wasnt legalized due to not knowing how the structure of it all will be ran. i did a research paper as to y marijuana is illegal and alchol isnt. I did this because by far alcohol is 10x worse then marijuana. Marijuana was made illegal because someone with power didnt want to smoke the same stuff that the lower class ppl were smoking at the time. (egyptians, mexicans, and blacks). Mide u two of our earlier presidents used to own and grow there own hemp plants referred to back then as there main crop. Anslinger then decided to poison Americans minds and tell them that it made u crazy and addicted to stronger drugs with no scientific proof. Long story short Americans belived it and it got banned. Alcohol also came from the same place as marijuana. (Egypt). Y wasnt that banned. how many ppl do u know died in a car accident from marijuana. DUI came from ppl drinking alcohol. Its as easy as getting two ppl and letting one drink as much as they can and someone smoke as much as they can and u will CLEARLY see the REAL results end of story.

john
john

Before the election, I was receiving voice mails from the "yes on 19" idiots. Now the election is done, I’m still receiving annoying voice mail from the support 19 campaigners. Someone is still stoned at the phones.The next time this nonsense comes up. I shall oppose it.

someone
someone

This "nonsense" begs the question: Why do you care what people do as long as they don't harm anyone? What is so wrong with the act of smoking marijuana in private that it needs to be illegal? That right there is the reason it should be legal. If you aren't for legalization then you haven't done your homework. We spend BILLIONS on this war on drugs every year and for what? It's not like drug use has decreased because of it. But hey, if you like your tax dollars being wasted on something which has been a complete failure, then fine. It just means you're a complete idiot. But morons like you don't want to take a lesson from history... I'm guessing your some stupid old guy who believes all the reefer madness propaganda bs and has no capacity to actually think for himself... Care to explain WHY you think it should remain illegal? It's a simple question. Give me a logical reason. I guarantee I can refute any shitty argument you have...

vetscannabis
vetscannabis

First, the surge of Store front Dispensaries, hurt the message and image of Prop 19. People start seeing the dispensaries pop up everywhere with bodily abled "younger" people flocking to them, and the message got cloudy.

It should have compounded the Medical Cannabis issue more; Military Veterans who benefit from Medical Cannabis, should have been more pronounced.

In all the Educational Component was left out, and that's what would have bought it to life.

http://veterans-for-cannabis.o...

Keith
Keith

Prop-19 had good intent but was poorly written. You don't need get smokers to vote yes-that's a no-brainer of which we have few left. Prop-19 did nothing to convince non-smokers that legalization would not be another end-to-prohabition - where the mob and orginanized crime came fromProp-19 had good intent but was poorly written. First point: You don't need get smokers to vote yes-that's a no-brainer of which we have few left. Prop-19 did nothing to convince non-smokers that legalization would not be another end-to-prohibition - where the mob and organized crime became rich. Want it legal, show, no prove to the rest of the Country “how to do it right.” The law needs to clearly state how taxation, zoning, restrictions etc… will be laid out. The law has to be tough like alcohol and tobacco with stiff fines and penalties for violations. In addition, restrictions on where dispensaries can be established must be clear and consistent. The wrangling and red-tape that goes on at the local levels confuses everyone. The law is setting “precedent” that all must follow and many States will mimic so it is “VERY” important to get it right. Want it legal, convince the non-smokers how it will benefit “their backyard” and keep it out of their face. Second point: If we had made it legal then the State of California would be in violation of Fed law creating a bigger issue. The medical groundwork that has been established would be brought into question and legal debate. The industry is rampant with questionable intent; develop the industry into a respected, profitable, employable industry the State/Country can and does benefit from and it’ll be legal tomorrow.

JD
JD

"#Beach trip =) 11/02/2010 10:54:06 PM

"wut the fuck vote pothead where losing get off ur stoned ass's and vote bitch god dame where losing u ass holes"

You forgot to begin this post with ,"In the words of the poets"...

Billy
Billy

Interesting that the Feds decided to conduct this raid Tuesday night instead of, oh, lets say last week before the vote? Netting 20 tons of Marijuana...

"A major drug tunnel has been discovered under the San Diego-Tijuana border, a roughly 1,800-foot passageway found in a warehouse in Otay Mesa where U.S. authorities seized more than 20 tons of marijuana, according to U.S. and Mexican officials."

"The discovery comes two weeks after the Mexican military in Tijuana seized a record 134 tons of marijuana."

But I guess the voters decided they prefer Mexican Cartels continue supplying the dope and the violence, instead of taking control of the problem, regulating it, creating jobs, AND earning some much needed taxes from the reality of the situation.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...

Dennis Romero
Dennis Romero

Hey geniuses:

This piece is set for the Nov. 4 print issue (and thus the inclusion of the print publication date), but we put it up as soon as 19 was called Tuesday night. Get it?

-Dennis Romero

John
John

What is the big deal? Your doctor probably has or still smokes pot. Your politicians certainly do. Your greatest artists do. Your greatest writers do. Your kids will in college. And the people who don't? Well its just not for them. Just like I don't shove things up my butt, but I don't care if other people do. Who am I to try and tell people not to smoke a plant if they want to?

The ignorance of people just amazes me. This should not be a voting issue, it should be a common sense issue.

Patrick O'Neill
Patrick O'Neill

Yesterday, California voters had the opportunity to increase tax revenue and consumer safety as well as generate many new jobs by creating a legitimate, above-ground industry. They also had the opportunity to save millions of dollars in judicial, policing, prosecution and incarceration fees, not to mention put a bunch of dangerous criminals out of business by ending the unscientific and unethical prohibition of a non-lethal, non-toxic herb.

Instead, with the help of this newspaper, the alcohol, gaming and pharmaceutical industries prevailed. Well done. Hearst would be proud. Now the LAPD can keep locking up black and Latino kids, and cancer patients will be the only ones paying taxes. Way to go, guys. What is it that you are championing exactly?

If Prop 19 can get 47% of the vote with virtually no campaign in support of it, in an off-year midterm that is being driven by rabidly angry white Conservatives, with this newspaper running against it, that just means to me that it's gonna sail right through in 2012.

The LA Times already was trying to please the old white people by running misinformation campaigns against it, so you guys didn't really have do that as well. Did you have to please your advertisers or what?

I thought this was supposed to be the alternative press. My question is, alternative to what exactly?

Scott Zwartz
Scott Zwartz

The campaign was incompetently run. People have a ton of different opinions, but most can be intimidated as fear over rides logic.

When Obama said he would simply prosecute people under federal laws, that made Prop 19 dangerous. Better to stick with Med Weed than bring the Feds down on us. The campaigner backers were silent.

Misinformed people claimed that thousands of kids will be recklessly driving killing people. The campaign no response to this silliness.

Then we had Bob Marley speak out in favor of Marijuana, making me think that perhaps Reefer Madness might have had a point.

It is grossly irresponsible to put Prop 19 on the ballot and then abandon it when all its enemies attacked.

FreeTheBud
FreeTheBud

As our governator would say, "We'll be back."

seniorganja
seniorganja

i do smoke and i get why some people might like and why others wont. me personally i love it, i can open up my mind and see the world in a whole new different way i dont understand why its so bad we feel happy then hungry then sleepy.....heard of anyone that ever died from ganja..? dont think so. but people die from alcohol and other legal substances everyday. they need to set their ignorance aside and realize its not bad at all. in my defence i believe it might help many businesses such as fast food restaurants.............P.S taco bell would blow off the roof.

jimmyjohn
jimmyjohn

So some one makes an intelligent statement based in economic theory about the topic of marijuana at hand...and your website deletes the post?! Your paper is probably owned by Rupert Murdoch like most other news publications within the US. Way to offer perspective to the general public kjemkw so...stowned..i cants typ,sfdgserfgwer

Is that what your looking for?

jimmyjohn
jimmyjohn

Your is well spoken but this article carries the limited, conservative perspective of the story. Break down the poll stats to regions of California, observe the average marijuana consumption/production in that specified area, compare it with the Prop 19 votes, and start scratching your brain. If it were legalized every independent grower would stand to lose their income and well-being. This is way more of a demonstration of those who have been and are producing this major economic resource. As soon as marijuana is legalized, Philip Morris International and others like them are in position and ready to plant their land they purchased in the "Emerald Triangle" some time ago. This isn't just a social statement, this isn't just about medicinal use(everything from anorexia to cancer), it's about the little guy having the key to the death of Malthusian Doctrine-and we're not done holding it.

Darryl
Darryl

You know why Prop 19 was defeated? Because the stupid ass potheads were too fuckin stoned to vote? HAHAHAHA! Fuck em!

Seejay
Seejay

It's not even Thursday on the opposite side of the International Date Line, nor have most of the votes been counted yet... what is this?

trublacque
trublacque

How sad! Still, the outcome was respectable and indicates an openness to the possibility. It's been years since I've indulged, and because of work restrictions I would have to just say no. In retirement, which is not to far off, it would have been nice to enjoy a mellow buzz to reflect upon a life well lived.Oh well, maybe next time.

LAngelino
LAngelino

Folks, it's over. Prop 19 is not going to pass. FIN.

F IT
F IT

Fuck it. Smoke 'em if you got 'em. Full on legalization in 2012. It's ridiculous in these cash strapped times, people and government continue to endorse and spend millions fighting a failed, I repeat failed, drug war, which is largely focused on cannabis; when instead they could regulate it, create millions, even billions over time, selling a product which is far less harmful than the alcoholic beverages they market and practically shove down Americans throats. Instead of government regulation and taxation, we have apparently chosen continued cartel profits, unregulated sales to minors, sustained a black market which is beyond control, and continued jailing of otherwise innocent citizens. Prop 19 wasn't perfect, but it made a hell of a lot more sense than continuing our present state of affairs.

fakenews
fakenews

As of right now, November 2nd at 11:40pmProp 19 Legalize marijuana under California law yes 45.3%no 54.7%reporting 39%

It's been going down from 56.2 in the last 20 minutes.

You might have to eat your words... less credibility for the press!

Jaime
Jaime

What the hell? the polling has not ended, you cannot be posting such news. It hasn't been decided yet!

John
John

He was probably gone when he wrote this... Thought he could time travel so he did..... Kind of.....

chris
chris

I noticed that your publish date is the 4th of November. Funny it is only the 3rd thank you. Sure your not stoned when you wrote this? BTW what are the lotto numbers for Friday for Michigan, with you knowing the future and all.

cabdriver
cabdriver

Prop 19 may yet win, or at least tighten up it's margin.

But it's a flawed initiative that overreaches by including a provision for commercial sales. That immediately brings in an array of complications. Like the heavy hand of the Federal government, for instance- because they're Constitutionally empowered to regulate interstate commerce. That's a clearly outlined governmental power- in marked contrast to the dubious assertion of the power of the Federal government to employ criminalization to ban all possession and cultivation of a common annual herb- especially one that's less toxic than many houseplants and most of the contents of a typical kitchen spice rack. (Pot is less poisonous than parsley.)

A proposition with a more modest scope is a much better idea- for instance, simply allowing adults to possess and cultivate reasonable quantities of cannabis for household use, along the lines of the provisions for non-commercial home brewing of beer and wine.

Beach trip =)
Beach trip =)

wut the fuck vote pothead where losing get off ur stoned ass's and vote bitch god dame where losing u ass holes

DK
DK

After being in so much debt for a couple years, turn down the perfect opportunity to save money on law enforcement and make some on taxation and tourism... Guess being in debt isn't a big deal

You know what... maybe the Federal Government will bail them out

jen
jen

I think its nov 2nd still...why are u sayin its Thursday the 4th?? LOL we didn't lose yet moron!!

Zach Schwartz
Zach Schwartz

What a shame. Fortunately this is only the start of what will end in legalization, eventually. To the fools who voted against this bill, you cannot justify your ignorance. No individual should be able to rationalize locking others up for roasting the ganja. But hey if your goal was to keep wasting tax payers dollars and fuel the drug war violence and crime, as well as support the fact that the US has the highest incarceration rate of it's own citizens in the world, good job; you must feel proud of yourself.

tom
tom

COUGH!! COUGH!!

Matthew
Matthew

What Killed Prop 19 is the fact that many people who supported it did not get up off their asses and vote.. I believe I read a twitter post from someone smoking pot all day in support of prop 19... he did not go vote... It also speaks of a larger, and a long standing issue with young Americans of voting age is that Often they just don't vote.. this is sad in my opinion, but eventually young ones will become old ones, and then a new generation of thinking will commence.. just takes time.. hey but pot smokers have that in spades...

A
A

So California does have some sense left after all...And of course that moron Richard Lee will go home crying over today and thinking the whole CA population will change their minds by 2012.I shall live in California to see a few more years! Hopefully more if this gets shot down again if it ever pops back up...if not, I'm out of CA. Don't want to put up with all the crime and druggies

MfA
MfA

It isn't Thursday yet, is this supposed to be a time travel column?

bob
bob

Um, pardon me but first of all, the date of the article reads "Thursday", and I'm reading this on Tuesday night. Apparently I've discovered a source of news - from the future! Second, only 20% of precincts have reported. To talk about this ballot measure in the past tense is a tad premature, no matter how sure we are of the result.

RandomGuy
RandomGuy

Holy Mackerel, this news article is from the future!

lex
lex

#prop19 was flawed not by support but in it's erroneous writing. backed by part-time smokers & big-tobacco. resented by growers & squares. california will not pass a pot law w/o humboldt & Mendocino counties on board. with defeat, the economy in northern California remains intact, and the green rush continues... well done! look forward to a the right law to end this prohibition fairly

walter
walter

Who cares about Prop 19 when Dennis Romero has a fucking time machine. Depending on where he lives, he posted this 1-2 days in the future!

lolfuck
lolfuck

Really this was written thursday, nov 4?

James
James

Umm... only 20 percent of precincts are reporting. Why is this published?

 
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