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El Segundo resident 01/06/2012 5:35:00 PM
One year later, and no progress has been made to address the Bell Segundo salaries. Our biggest opportunity will be in the upcoming City Council elections. We need to ensure two fiscally conservative candidates, who are not endorsed by the city employee unions, are elected. Our newly elected city council will need to take an aggressive stance with both police and fire unions.
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JMORALES 02/04/2011 8:13:00 PM
The salary issues are just the tip of the iceberg. Someone really needs to look into the inept RSI Program and the illustrious leader(s) and the many unfortunate ES homeowners that may have water leaks, damage, mold, improper window installation, etc. That has all been covered up since befroe and after that inspector resigned.in 07-08, or around there. The windows are installed improperly and can lead to water intrusion. Just ask to see all of the complaint forms and a record of the many phone calls of concern. It all needs to stop. Why would a city let construction go on in their own town that does not conform to codes and industry standards? Why, becasue it is all poitical, just like the fact that Ingelewood Residents are provided with free Air Conditioning in their RSI Program and El Segundo Residents must pay for the A/C.
Now really - how can anyone make sense of the fact that you have to shut all doors and windows to reduce the sound levels, so after that occurs how do you stay in your stuffy and hot house to enjoy it. What a shame, wake up ES.
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WILMA HANCOCK 11/20/2010 2:10:00 AM
IT'S SAD TO KNOW HOW CORRUPT OUR LITTLE TOWN HAS BECOME. WE ARE LIVING IN A TOWN THAT SHOULD NEVER EVER BE BROKE. GOES TO SHOW HOW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE SHOULD GO TO JAIL.
WE HAVE ALL THESE BIG COMPANY'S THAT WE HAVE BEEN GETTING MONEY FROM. I'M SURE THEY WOULD MOVE FROM HERE BUT WANT TO HANGE IN THERE FOR NOW.
OUR PEOPLE IN CHARGE SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO SOME OF THE OTHER'S TOWNS, THINK ABOUT GIVING SOME OF THE MONEY BACK TO EL SEGUNDO BEFORE WE HAVE THEM ARESTED AND THROWN IN JAIL.
LIVED IN EL SEGUNDO FOR 55 AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR TOWN CLEANED UP.
Wilma Hancock
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El Segundo Resident 11/11/2010 1:48:00 AM
I find it humorous (but I'm not surprised) that the comments on this article use such appalling terms as "illegal aliens", "stop the unions", etc. etc.....PLEASE! Get your heads out of your behinds, please! Perhaps you have been sheltered in the quaint life of El Segundo for too long. El Segundo, who picks up your trahs, who mows your lawns, who cooks the food in your restaurants, who take care of your children when you go to work. Seems to me that people of color want to be used for their labor but not seen for their humanity. Disgusting. Open your eyes and don't stew in your ignorance. Racism is an easy excuse when the economy is down the toilet.
These over-inflated salaries are ridiculous and morally wrong. UGH....I'm physically sick just thinking about it.
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MUGGSY 11/01/2010 11:53:00 PM
IT IS RIDICULOUS WHAT THEY ARE PAYING THE E.S. POLICE THEIR IS NO SERIOUS CRIMEBUTTHEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE THAT FOR MORE MONEY.
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Mike Robbins 10/27/2010 9:44:00 AM
Julie - As I mentioned earlier: I served for four years on the City Council with Carl Jacobson as mayor. He is completely honest, and was never endorsed or supported by any of the city employee unions, including police and fire, and the police and fire unions campaigned against him as they did against me. Carl Jacobson voted against the new trash tax for residents, and he reduced the increase in the business UUT tax increase. Also, he got a two-year sunset date put into the UUT tax increase. I know from working with Carl Jacobson in closed session that the only way he would have voted for the 15% in police union raises and 11.25% in firefighter union raises during this recession is if he got those numbers reduced or got some other equal or better concession. Suzanne Fuentes and Carl Jacobson are fiscal conservatives. Don Brann is liberal and NOT fiscally conservative. He wanted to raise the business UUT tax much higher, and he wants to to charge the residents the new trash tax. Don Brann is himself receiving a $186,002 per year public employee pension that includes medical insurance for the rest of his life, paid by El Segundo taxpayers. Take a look at http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#don_brann_pension.
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Julie 10/23/2010 10:31:00 PM
It's the city council that deserves all the ire. Busch, Jacobson, Fischer, and thankfully retired McDowell voted the large raises in. Fuentes was NOT on council yet and she is fiscally responsible. Brann was against these raises, BUT he is the one who has introduced all the proposed tax increases, including this upcoming trash fee proposal that will come to your mail sometime after November 5th strategically looking like junk mail so that you will throw it out. Also, you should probably know that Brann has a pension north of $170,00 as a public employee (Wiseburn Superintendent).
Personally, I don't have a problem with the salaries of patrol officers. They have to work huge amounts of overtime to be able to live here. If something really bad goes down, which given the economy as well as our proximity to LAX and a refinery is a possibility, it is to our benefit to have police living in town.
I DO have a problem with Police, Fire, Library, and Parks and Recs. management. I also find the salaries of regular fire personnel too large. The fact that more than 50% of fire personnel are on disability makes me laugh and cry simultaneously. They average 7 calls per day divided between the two stations. How exactly did they get disabled? Certainly not on calls
In terms of replacements, fire fighters are easy to find. The same is not true for police. It's very costly to train them. there is a smaller pool of folks who want to become one, and of those who want a police career, most don't pass the background check. I will get slammed for stating these truths, but that's the reality of the situation.
El Segundo's biggest problem/burden is our pension obligations. The pensions must be modified to a cash balance or 401(k) like vehicle. Retirement ages must go up and medical cannot be free. An incentive for the public employees should be that without reform, they risk not receiving anything at all. Look at France, Spain, and Greece....
Please write to your councilmen and demand that they revoke their 'free medical for life' and that they refrain from grandfathering themselves in for those benefits. I also encourage citizens to consider running for council or at least pay better attention.
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John 10/22/2010 7:42:00 PM
I grew up in El Segundo and the cops were always notoriously harassing, over aggressive and reactive. That is a pretty good salary for writing tickets to jay walkers and curfew breakers.
It sounds like their day has come.
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Long time resident 10/22/2010 12:01:00 AM
Thanks JBob,
Someone that can do something about this is reading this. And that's us "WE THE PEOPLE" I know it's getting harder and harder to recognize our republic but we can change things. I know it feels overwelming and its easy to say " there's nothing we can do about it". This is so wrong. Its sad but we also let this happen to ourselves, Things were good and we did not pay attention. But we MUST pay attention. Forward this to everyone you know, show up at our council meetings. Next one is
November 2nd at 7 pm. A special meeting is set for November 4th, I think its at 5:30 but its not on the city calender. This is for Eric Bushes personal agenda THE TRASH TAX.He's out to save the world! Maybe if we all ride an electric bike we will all save the planet. NOT. If we let this tax pass whats next, street sweeping tax? Street lighting tax? Rec parks use Tax? This needs to stop and WE THE PEOPLE are the only ones who can stop this madness. I have never been to a council meeting so I am to blame also. You can bet that I'll be at as many future ones as possible. Spread the news! Tell everyone you know!
The power lies within us to make things change! Do not let these progressives tell us whats good for us. We've done that far to long. God Bless America.
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jef 10/21/2010 11:27:00 PM
I used to support the police and firefighters, no more! They are special interest scum sucking like swine off taxpayers money. This shit has got to stop or there will be a revolution!
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JBob 10/21/2010 10:59:00 PM
Long time resident 10/21/2010 12:16:53 PM
Thanks for that post! I think most of the people in this town feel exactly this way.
Bruce is a very upstanding person and police officer. I'm not sure what happened to Mitch; he jumped on the BAD COP train a few years back. If he was any kind of a Chief (LEADER) he would pull Rex & Bob aside to let them know how bad they are making the department look! If it were up to me, I would demote the both of them! It's weird how these BAD guys get rewarded for not serving the public but rather making people serve them out of fear! -and they get paid LOTS & LOTS of money for this???? Sure hope someone that can do something about this is reading these postings.
Also speaking of hypocrites, whomever was driving car #29 at 4:30pm on 10/18, last time I checked, TEXTING and DRIVING were ILLEGAL! But, I guess you all are above us because you wear a badge and get paid more than most!
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Long time resident 10/21/2010 10:19:00 PM
Why do our council members get medical benifits for life after 2 terms? I guess they think they rank up there with Congress.
Actually why does Congress get medical for life??
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Long time resident 10/21/2010 10:16:00 PM
I agree that most of the police in town are out of control.
As a kid growing up in ES we had officers that knew that kids do stupid things. We respected them because of this. They were fair.
They didnt ruin a kids future for stupid kid stuff. They didnt send 15 year olds to a 72 hour evaluation because he left a stupid message on his girl friends answering machine. ( Thanks Gestapo Cole ) They would make us poor our beer out, not take us to jail. We didnt have a perv Cop at the high school full time either. So many of them think these petty busts will lead to a promotion. That is not serving, thats selfish!!!
There are a few good ones here, not many but a few. Officer Lewis grew up here and is a fair person. He serves his community when many of the others feel a sense of entitlement. Like they are doing us a favor. They are not serving us, to them its a JOB!
Mitch Tavera at one time was fair. These good cops know that they have no more rights than us citizens.
We should take John and Ken's advice and reconsider who serves us when their contracts are up!!
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Lindsey 10/21/2010 9:36:00 PM
just plain messed up is what this is. meanwhile, our nation's quality of eduction is sinking, sinking, sinking, as teachers get laid off monthly. i just can't stop shaking my head. this is gross.
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ESresident 10/21/2010 7:34:00 PM
If the overblown salaries aren't bad enough, the police in ES are racist and harassing. My friend was simply walking down the street to get home after having a few drinks on main. Unfortunately for him he has brown skin, so a patrol car pulls over, and when he says where he was coming from they put him in handcuffs and throw him in jail for the night. I don't feel any safer when people who go out for a few drinks aren't allowed to walk home. I respect that they have a hard job, and I think they should be paid well for it, but over 200k? How does this compare to the salary of the guys from downtown that get shot at??
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sick of unions 10/21/2010 7:32:00 PM
Unions are causing the bankruptcy of our country. Pensions should be a thing of the past. Most businesses have gotten rid of them because they don't make sense. Why shouldn't all public servants have to contribute to a 401K like the rest of us. Retirement age should be raised to 62 at least. ES FD and PD are the easiest fire and police jobs around. It's cake work. If they don't want to take pay cuts let them go find a job in the real world and they'll realize how good they have it.
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Jim 10/21/2010 8:03:00 AM
The reason that El Segundo has low crime is mostly because of location. Where all the residents live there are very few ways to get in. The Pacific Ocean borders the west preventing anyone from entering. The north and south you can't get in accept for basically one access point. Almost all the traffic comes the from the Eastern entry points on Grand, Imperial, Rosecrans and El Segundo Blvd.
I'm not saying the police and fire don't do a good job, they do. But those salaries are ridiculous for that size city and the reality of the situation. Add in the pensions, etc...like many cities and states, beyond sustainable. Borderline criminal. The amount we are going to have to pay for pensions for these public employees in the next 30 years will destroy the nation. It simply cannot be done. When you have guys retiring at age 50 and receiving $100K a year in a pension the rest of their life. It's mindboggling.
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Stavros 10/21/2010 7:32:00 AM
"Coming from a police family, etc, etc..."
OK, Jody. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Mike Robbins 10/21/2010 7:25:00 AM
Jody said, "There is a lot of sacrifice involved for all police and fire personnel and their families, even in El Segundo. How do you think you can call on them 24/7, even on weekends and holidays? Because they are at work, even as you are at home with your family on Thanskgiving [sic], Christmas etc."
Look at the firefighter and police compensation data at PublicSafetyProject.org. And then consider that we get several thousand job applications for each firefighter position opening, even before the recession. And then consider that the taxpayers are paying an additional 38% of Regular Earnings AND Special Compensation (averages 28% of Regular Earnings) in CalPERS pension contributions for every firefighter and police officer.
Sadly, the firefighters and police officers are in it for the money, not for altruistic reasons. They get paid for all their overtime hours, unlike professional employees in many other fields. Firefighters and police officers who work on a weekend, at night, or on a holiday are no different than any other hourly/non-professional employee who does the same thing. They get other days off and/or they get overtime or holiday pay at premium rates.
El Segundo has only a few if any major structure fires per year (with $100,000 or more in damage). Almost all the calls are paramedic calls or false alarms. If we need help, we get it from other cities under mutual aid agreements. Firefighters get to spend more time with their families than other people. They are on duty for 48 hours and off duty for the next four days, allowing them to have other jobs or businesses. The firefighters are paid to sleep for 8 hours per day unless they get a call. They are paid to be on call for 8 hours per day. And they "work" for 8 hours per day. Per their union contract, they cannot be asked to paint anything other than minor touch-up work that requires at most a one-inch wide paint brush and a quart can of paint.
Per their union contract, they get extra money for having a Political Science college degree, which helps them work on political campaigns to hire their own bosses with whom they will "negotiate" their raises.
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Kathleen 10/21/2010 7:16:00 AM
Have you seen?
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Mike Robbins 10/21/2010 6:53:00 AM
Jody said, "Has anyone paused and asked themselves WHY El Segundo is such a low crime city? Could it be that the police are doing a great job of being proactive? I don't live there, so I don't know, but it seems like that could be the case."
The highly paid police union members want the residents and taxpayers to believe the police are the only reason why El Segundo is a safe city. Even if that were true, that would not change the facts that the El Segundo police are obscenely overpaid (see PublicSafetyProject.org), their compensation is unsustainable, and their salaries, benefits, and pensions must be reduced substantially to be sustainable and fair and reasonable to the taxpayers and other city and private sector employees.
However, it should be obvious to everyone that the police are not the primary reason, or even the secondary reason El Segundo is a low-crime city. The police are at best a tertiary or fourth factor that contributes to El Segundo's low crime rate. The primary reason El Segundo is a low crime city, like Manhattan Beach and other similar cities, is because it has no slums and it has a high quality population with few criminals. This primary reason is far more significant the crime control effects of the police, courts, and prisons combined. Scientific criminological research by Professor Gary Kleck (Florida State University) has shown that the crime control and multiple deterrent effects of armed citizens who own firearms is at least as effective if not more effective as the entire criminal justice system, include the police, courts, and prison system.
Also, El Segundo has natural boundaries that help protect it from crime - the LAX airport to the north, the Chevron oil refinery to the south, the ocean to the west, and the industrial area to the east. Due to these natural boundaries, there are no major traffic flows through the residential community of the city. Would-be criminals have few means of escape, and there is not a steady flow of outsiders through the residential community that may encounter targets of opportunity for criminal activity.
Therefore, the police are at best a tertiary reason if not a fourth reason why El Segundo is a low-crime city.
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Steve 10/21/2010 5:42:00 AM
El Segundoan for 6 years. One of the first bennies was getting a parking ticket at 7:50 am (restrictions don't start until 8am). The city dropped my ticket, but up and down the block were green envelopes on at least a half dozen other windshields.
Next was the seatbelt ticket. A block from my house on a 25 mph side street. Yes, I know it is the law. Yes I also know it helps pay to keep the scam these cops have going alive.
Today's high salaries translate into tomorrow's pension liabilities -- and El Segundo residents ten or twenty years from now won't be able to afford those. Bills that cannot be paid won't be paid. Some day El Segundo, just like Vallejo, will stop paying.
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Jim 10/21/2010 5:02:00 AM
I work in El Segundo. You want to do the real reporting, look at how many fire fighters have retired on disability over the years. I'm not going to say anything more because of some of the harassment nonsense this other citizen has had to endure, but a reporter should look into this...that's all I'm going to say. They should also look into when those disabilities seem to magically happen (at what point in the career).
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JBob 10/21/2010 4:12:00 AM
Rex (Frank) *laughing hysterically*, and Bob, you guys are inherently BAD COPS! YOU KNOW YOU ARE! How you guys even got promoted is a true mystery. Maybe the back grounds of the people that promoted you guys needs to be looked at. **laughing some more, because I already know their stories!** You guys have a history of being BAD COPS! Unless you want your past to haunt you, the best thing you guys can do, is go to your corner and shut the hell up! I for one would love to tell some stories; especially about FRANK!
Keep it up!!!!
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ieatpie1 10/21/2010 3:34:00 AM
Well good, i personally think that its about time they fix problems like this, hey, and while they are at it..maybe they can deal with the problem on how the PD harasses the children who live in the city, or general public harassment. I have many stories to tell about how friends of mine were continually harassed by the police force of El Segundo, or how to deal with a kid who is riding a bike without a helmet and they need two squad cars to ticket this kid, Excellent police work.. :/
Talk to an El Segundo youth about it, they would tell you the same thing as i am typing now.
Thanks
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Long time resident 10/20/2010 7:43:00 PM
Jody,
First off our librarians make over 100,000 per year.
Secondly, Our city is unique in the fact that there are only 6 ways into town. These borders make it an easy city to police from outsiders.We dont have any low income housing ( besides the senior housing ) so people have a vested interest in our community.
Our police chief Tavera out of spite has closed the police station window at night .
Our fire dept now uses its sirens night and day full blast to say HERE WE ARE!
Listen to John and Ken this afternoon AM 640 They are going to discuss this
HEADS ON A STICK!
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Catherine 10/20/2010 6:14:00 PM
It is about time the public learned the real reason why the library has reduced its hours in the city of El Segundo!
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Stavros 10/20/2010 9:29:00 AM
Jody, you seem to have an ax to grind, or perhaps a vested interest in this. I believe only a feeder at the public trough, or a stooge, could write something like this.
At any rate, since you don't live in ES, these overly generous salary and benefit packages do not come out of your pocket, so it is easy to justify them.
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Jody 10/20/2010 7:51:00 AM
Has anyone paused and asked themselves WHY El Segundo is such a low crime city? Could it be that the police are doing a great job of being proactive? I don't live there, so I don't know, but it seems like that could be the case.
As far as police and fire salaries go, it seems like there are a lot of jealous people out there who are lamenting their decision to major in Liberal Arts or Underwater Basket Weaving. It really doesn't matter that these brave men and women are making salaries close to what some doctors and lawyers make.
Everyone is not cut out for public safety jobs, either through lack of mental stability, physical prowess or just plain old courage. These folks are a cut above the average Joe/Jane, and you are glad of that fact when you need a cop or firefighter to come save you in dangerous and stressful situations.
Don't believe that they are above average folks? Check out the success rate for those who apply for police and fire jobs (about 10-15%), then check out the success rate for those who set out to become doctors, lawyers and accountants. It is significantly higher because most people with reasonable intelligence can do those jobs. There is no physical, psychological or moral screening for those fields.
This is pretty typical thinking from spoiled, modern-day Americans, though. You want good public safety, you just don't want to pay for it.
I might be biased because I come from a law enforcement family, but I just get sick of people crying about public safety salaries- as if cops should make what the trash man or the librarian makes. The risk is greater, so it only stands to reason that the reward should be greater too.
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10/20/2010 6:06:00 AM
Look at one other angle. Many of not most of these police and firefighters retire on "disability." These "disabilities" do not have to be work related, and indeed seldom are. The criteria for public safety disabilities are extremely lax.
By being declared "disabled," they get up to half their pension free of federal AND state income taxes. When you look at the huge pensions they receive, you suddenly realize that these tax sheltered payouts are worth FAR more than it first appears.
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Long time resident 10/19/2010 9:36:00 PM
I'm sure many of or returning service men would jump at a chance to replace these overcompensated employees.
Nobody mentioned that the Parks dept manager is the former Police chiefs brother. Both are long time friends of Jack Wayt. Hmmmmm
I wonder how he got this job last year??
Also no one mentions that Our council members get LIFETIME medical after serving two terms.
Incredible.
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doubledip 10/19/2010 6:11:00 AM
working at UCLA for $130K and nice benefits is a pretty cushy gig.
Maybe Mr. Burns should examine the UCLA payroll next.
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Mike Robbins 10/19/2010 5:49:00 AM
Good job, Marianne! You outed El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler (alias "Frank" - 10/15/2010 8:35:44 AM post). He was outsmarted by a woman! (I believe he doesn't think much of women.) I guess this must be his idea of an "undercover operation" - using an alias to post false and vicious personal attacks against those who exercise their First Amendment right to expose the obscenely excessive El Segundo police and firefighter salaries, benefits, and pensions!
It is not surprising he is now using an alias. He was completely discredited and embarrassed in the El Segundo Herald Letters to the Editor section. He is such an embarrassment to the El Segundo Police Department and to the El Segundo Police Officers Association (a police labor union). But then again, he is doing the dishonest bidding of his police union, which leads to embarrassing situations.
Here is one example of Sergeant Rex Fowler being discredited and embarrassed. The El Segundo police officers and firefighters "associations", like most police officers and firefighters "associations", pretend they are not unions because most people know how corrupt the public safety unions have become. These "associations" avoid using the word "union" in their name and their publicity. And at least some of their members argue vociferously that they are not a labor union.
Sergeant Rex Fowler argued in a Letter to the Editor published in the September 23, 2010 edition of the El Segundo Herald newspaper, on page 12, that his El Segundo Police Officers Association (ESPOA) is not a labor union. It should be obvious he made this argument to divert attention away from the corrupt practices his police union uses to get their obscenely excessive salaries, benefits, and pensions.
He wrote in his letter, which he deceptively titled "FACT CHECK":
"The police officers have an association, not a union. We have no shop-steward and are not part of SEIU or Teamsters. Once a year, the 57 (or so) of us vote for five peers to represent us in good faith negotiations. They are cops, not union bosses, and all have donated numerous hours to participate in association programs benefitting the city."
I wrote back in a rebuttal Letter to the Editor published in the September 30, 2010 edition of the El Segundo Herald, on page 5, titled "THE REAL FACT CHECK", as follows:
The labor law firm that represents the El Segundo police and fire unions lists all of their clients on their website (SHSLaborLaw.com) - 64 police "associations" and 38 firefighter "associations". The labor law firm refers to all of their clients as "public safety employee unions". See http://www.shslaborlaw.com/about and http://www.shslaborlaw.com/clients. The El Segundo police and fire "associations" perform the usual functions that labor unions perform. They engage in collective bargaining, political organizing/campaigning, and give endorsements and shovel money to the most liberal tax-and-spend politicians. They effectively hire their own bosses with whom they "negotiate" their pay increases. They get favorable labor laws passed that allow them to extort even more money from the taxpayers. And they harass those who exercise their First Amendment right to disagree at their workplace. What good is it if the police and fire unions put a happy face on their "associations" by participating in local events, and then bankrupt our city as the police and fire unions did in Vallejo, California?"
I did not have space in my letter to include the following additional information debunking Sergeant Rex Fowler's lies. However, it was included in my PublicSafetyProject.org web site at http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#are_they_unions: Also, this labor law firm has an upcoming seminar titled, "How to Run a Police and Fire Union", taught by one of their lawyers, Robert M. Wexler, scheduled for 02/16/2011 - 02/18/2011 at The Flamingo Las Vegas in Las Vegas NV. See the "Upcoming Seminars" list on their "Training & Seminars" web page at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/training_and_seminars, and their list of attorneys at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/attorneys.
See the biography for Robert M. Wexler at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/robert_wexler. His biography states, "Robert also represents employees and labor unions": "Widely regarded as a creative and successful negotiator who has bargained a myriad of innovative agreements on behalf of his clients, Robert also represents employees and labor unions in prosecuting grievances of unfair labor practices, litigating employment disputes, defending individuals during disciplinary investigations and prosecuting and defending writs and appeals. His clients include some of the largest municipal police and firefighters associations in California. "Mr. Wexler is frequently invited to speak to both labor and management about collective bargaining ... ."
Clearly, you don't have to have a "shop-steward" or be "part of SEIU or Teamsters" to be a union.
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Mike Robbins 10/19/2010 5:05:00 AM
CORRECTION:
Mike Robbins said, "Sergeant Rex Fowler argued in a Letter to the Editor published in the September 23, 2010 edition of the El Segundo Herald newspaper, on page 23, that his El Segundo Police Officers Association (ESPOA) is not a labor union."
The letter was on page 12. This was a typo. Also note that the curly single-quote and curly double-quote characters were translated into funny sequences of characters making the post less readable. I will re-enter that post with both corrections made - I thought it was a good post!
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Mike Robbins 10/19/2010 4:08:00 AM
El Segundo Voter said, "Well I guess the only way we will change this is to vote out Mayor Eric Busch, Mayor Pro-Tem Bill Fisher, Council Member Suzanne Fuentes, and Council Member Carl Jacobson."
Actually, we will need to vote out the three out of five Councilmen majority that has been pushing hard for new trash taxes on residents and increased Utility User Taxes on businesses, while refusing to pressure the firefighters and police unions into taking necessary pay cuts. That majority is Mayor Eric Bush, Mayor Pro Tem Bill Fisher, and Councilman Don Brann. Councilwoman Suzanne Fuentes is new to the City Council. She is honest, and she is part of the solution, not the problem. I served for four years on the City Council with Carl Jacobson as mayor. He is completely honest, and was never endorsed or supported by any of the city employee unions, including police and fire, and the police and fire unions campaigned against him as they did against me. Carl Jacobson voted against the new trash tax for residents, and he reduced the increase in the business UUT tax increase. Also, he got a two-year sunset date put into the UUT tax increase. I know from working with Carl Jacobson in closed session that the only way he would have voted for the 15% in police union raises and 11.25% in firefighter union raises during this recession is if he got those numbers reduced or got some other equal or better concession. Suzanne Fuentes and Carl Jacobson are fiscal conservatives. Don Brann is liberal and not fiscally conservative. He wanted to raise the business UUT tax much higher, and he wants to to charge the residents the new trash tax. Don Brann is himself receiving a $186,002 per year public employee pension that includes medical insurance for the rest of his life, paid by El Segundo taxpayers. Take a look at http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#don_brann_pension. We need to keep Suzanne Fuentes and Carl Jacobson, and replace Eric Busch, Don Brann, and Bill Fisher.
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El Segundo Voter 10/19/2010 1:53:00 AM
Well I guess the only way we will change this is to vote out Mayor Eric Busch, Mayor Pro-Tem Bill Fisher, Council Member Suzanne Fuentes, and Council Member Carl Jacobson.
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Mike Robbins 10/19/2010 1:29:00 AM
Marianne said, "I don't know what it takes for a dishonest and incompetent police officer or firefighter to get fired. It seems the police and firefighter unions protect their members no matter how dishonest or incompetent they are."
I think you are absolutely correct.
The labor law firm that represents the El Segundo Firefighters Association (union) and the El Segundo Police Officers Association (union) during their labor contract negotiations and litigation is Silver, Hadden, Silver, Wexler + Levin (SHSW+L) in Santa Monica, California (see http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#are_they_unions). They list all of their attorneys on their website (SHSLaborLaw.com) at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/attorneys. Take a look at their biography for Robert M. Wexler, one of their attorneys, at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/robert_wexler. His biography states, "Robert also represents employees and labor unions":
"Widely regarded as a creative and successful negotiator who has bargained a myriad of innovative agreements on behalf of his clients, Robert also represents employees and labor unions in prosecuting grievances of unfair labor practices, litigating employment disputes, defending individuals during disciplinary investigations and prosecuting and defending writs and appeals. His clients include some of the largest municipal police and firefighters associations in California."
It appears the El Segundo firefighter and police unions are well prepared to use lawyers to protect dishonest and incompetent employees, in addition to any cover-ups they may be doing.
-- Mike Robbins / PublicSaftetyProject.org
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Mike Robbins 10/19/2010 1:27:00 AM
Marianne said, "I don't know what it takes for a dishonest and incompetent police officer or firefighter to get fired. It seems the police and firefighter unions protect their members no matter how dishonest or incompetent they are."
I think you are absolutely correct.
The labor law firm that represents the El Segundo Firefighters Association (union) and the El Segundo Police Officers Association (union) during their labor contract negotiations and litigation is Silver, Hadden, Silver, Wexler + Levin (SHSW+L) in Santa Monica, California (see http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#are_they_unions). They list all of their attorneys on their website (SHSLaborLaw.com) at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/attorneys. Take a look at their biography for Robert M. Wexler, one of their attorneys, at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/robert_wexler. His biography states, "Robert also represents employees and labor unions":
"Widely regarded as a creative and successful negotiator who has bargained a myriad of innovative agreements on behalf of his clients, Robert also represents employees and labor unions in prosecuting grievances of unfair labor practices, litigating employment disputes, defending individuals during disciplinary investigations and prosecuting and defending writs and appeals. His clients include some of the largest municipal police and firefighters associations in California.
It appears the El Segundo firefighter and police unions are well prepared to use lawyers to protect dishonest and incompetent employees, in addition to any cover-ups they may be doing.
-- Mike Robbins / PublicSaftetyProject.org
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Mike Robbins 10/19/2010 12:15:00 AM
Tam,
I have actually been working on this problem on and off since late 1991, when I first ran for City Council. Back then, we had lowest level firefighters and paramedics getting paid more than $100,000 per year, during a major recession with high unemployment and no jobs to be found. That is when the firefighter and police officer unions became aggressively involved in the City Council elections to help elect their own boss and try to get even more money. They won that election to fill a six-month vacancy, due to a vote-split problem, but they lost the following April 1992 election where I, Carl Jacobson, and Dick Switch won and held the line on the firefighter and police union pay. The firefighters walked door to door citywide four times, wearing their firefighter association tee shirts, asking everyone to vote for their candidates. And then a flyer went out citywide listing all their salaries, and that turned the election in our favor. Residents throughout the city were taking down and throwing out their campaign yard signs for the firefighters' candidates.
Look at the PublicSafetyProject.org web site, at http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#res_blogs_newspapers, for some very interesting historical news articles documenting some of the firefighter, police, and school teacher union political involvement in the El Segundo City Council elections.
In the 2004 and 2008 City Council elections, I authored, printed, and distributed a flyer citywide exposing the dishonest firefighter and police union endorsements, with generally good results. However, they keep coming back to get their hands on more of our money. You can see these flyers at http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#2004_city_election_flyer and http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#2008_city_election_flyer.
-- Mike Robbins / PublicSaftetyProject.org
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Mike Robbins 10/18/2010 11:49:00 PM
Tam,
Thank you for your uplifting comment. Dave Burns and I have each been working on the immediate problem to save our local fire department and paramedic transport service for many months now. However, there is still much more work to be done to fix the problem in El Segundo. This problem exists in many other cities near and far throughout California and other states. For example, look at this San Marcos Mercury news article about the firefighter and police union takeover activities in San Marcos, Texas: http://smmercury.com/archives/14331.
You can help our community by emailing the link to this LA Weekly article by Paul Teetor (http://www.laweekly.com/2010-10-14/news/a-stink-in-el-segundo-over-cadillac-salaries/), and the links to the PublicSafetyProject.org web site (http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html) and to Dave Buns' blog (http://elsegundoblog.blogspot.com/) to everyone you know. Ask your friends to read the material and to comment on this article and to send these links to everyone they know with suggestions to comment, and so on. Ask your friends who have web sites or even social networking web pages to link to this article and to our web sites. And please visit our web sites regularly for updates, and add more comments here in support of our efforts. The City of Vallejo, California has already filed for bankruptcy because of their unsustainable firefighter and police union contracts and compensation. I don't want to see this happen to El Segundo or any other city.
-- Mike Robbins / PublicSaftetyProject.org
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Tam 10/18/2010 10:33:00 PM
Wow. Great read. Thanks Paul Teetor, David Burns, and Mike Robbins (and the local residents) for help bringing this to light. Is there anything being done about this? I hope it's not too late to fix this mess.
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Mike Robbins 10/18/2010 9:48:00 PM
The El Segundo firefighters union, like the police officers union, almost always endorses the most liberal, tax-and-spend, soft-on-crime politicians. The firefighters union repeatedly contributed money to the ultra-liberal Congresswoman Maxine Waters, who threatened the American oil company executives that she was going to "socialize" (nationalize) them and have the government take them over and run them. This would include Chevron and their El Segundo oil refinery after which our city was named!
Even if you trust the government with that much concentrated power, if you consider how "well" the government runs other things, such as the public schools and the DMV, and creates disastrous monopolies where most people have little or no choice to go elsewhere, this is a very bad idea.
She said, "And guess what this liberal will be all about? This liberal will be all about socializing, uh, uh, will be about, basically, taking over, and government running all of your companies."
This goes beyond socialist - it is Marxist when the government owns the means of production. Why are the firefighters union members endorsing and contributing money to a Marxist?
Watch the video of this exchange on the PublicSafetyProject.org web site, at:
http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#maxine_waters
The firefighters and police officers unions CANNOT BE TRUSTED with taxpayer money, political endorsements, or anything they say that is of a political or monetary nature.
Again, this is the sad reality.
-- Mike Robbins / PublicSaftetyProject.org
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Mike Robbins 10/18/2010 9:16:00 PM
It sure is IRONIC how the El Segundo Firefighters "Association" (union) sent out their "Senior Scare Letter" to senior citizen voters, threatening them with "the possibility of our paramedics not being available when you need them", and claiming that hospital facilities would close, if the recipients of their political campaign letter did not vote for ALL THREE of the City Council candidates that were endorsed by the Firefighters Association -- and NOW the El Segundo Firefighters "Association" is campaigning to have Los Angeles County take over our local fire department, which will ELIMINATE our paramedic transport service entirely! As mentioned earlier, the residents and businesses will lose our paramedic transport service because Los Angeles County does not provide this service, and we will have to rely on out-of-town ambulance companies with increased transport times and increased cost.
-- Mike Robbins / PublicSaftetyProject.org
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Mike Robbins 10/18/2010 8:37:00 PM
The El Segundo firefighters have proven over the last 19 years (since the November 1991 Special Election to fill deceased Councilman Jim Clutter's vacant seat) that when it comes to taxpayer money and politics, they absolutely CANNOT BE TRUSTED. What a pitiful shame.
Take a look at the El Segundo Firefighters Association "Senior Scare Letter", dated April 9, 2004, on the PublicSafetyProject.org web site:
LETTER INFORMATION:
http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#senior_scare_letter ;
SCANNED IMAGE OF THE LETTER:
http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/senior_scare_letter_scan.html ;
LETTER ANALYSIS AND TEXT:
http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/docs/senior_scare_letter_v.html .
The firefighters union, representing ALL OF ITS MEMBERS, sent this letter to senior citizen voters in El Segundo, claiming that Hospital Facilities would close and claiming that there will be "the possibility of our paramedics not being available when you need them" if the recipients of this letter did not vote for ALL THREE of the City Council candidates that were endorsed by the Firefighters Association (a fancy name for labor union).
The letter went on to say, "every single member of the El Segundo Firefighters' and Paramedics' Association endorses Eric Busch, Sandra Jacobs and Bill Fisher for City Council."
This letter, on official El Segundo Firefighter Association letterhead, was full of boldface lies, especially regarding the relative and actual qualifications of the endorsed and non-endorsed candidates.
-- Mike Robbins / PublicSaftetyProject.org
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Mike Robbins 10/18/2010 8:29:00 PM
The El Segundo firefighters union members want Los Angeles County to take over El Segundo fire services because it will protect their jobs and very high compensation. Almost all of them do not live in El Segundo so they do not have to live with the results. They have been using firefighters who live out of town to collect signatures on an initiative petition to make this happen, and I am quite sure this is illegal. The person who collects the signatures has to sign under penalty of perjury that he or she is a registered voter in the city (or possibly a resident of the city - I am not sure which).
The residents and businesses will lose our paramedic transport service because Los Angeles County does not provide this service, and will have to rely on out-of-town ambulance companies with increased transport times and increased cost.
Nearly all of the emergency calls in El Segundo are paramedic calls, not fire calls. We have only one or two major structure fires per year, if even that many.
If we get taken over by the county, under state law, it will be for a minimum of ten years. We will lose our local control over quality of service, level of service, and types of services.
We will have to pay a substantial transition cost to go to L.A. County, and we will essentially end up junking our very expensive fire and paramedic vehicles, apparatus, and equipment because it will not meet the L.A. County standards. And then ten years later, if we want to regain local control, we will have an enormous transition cost again, buying everything from scratch.
If the firefighter union members really want to work for Los Angeles County, then they should at least have the decency to quit from El Segundo and apply for jobs with the county. They should not be dragging all of El Segundo along with them for their own selfish self-interests.
-- Mike Robbins / PublicSaftetyProject.org
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Mike Robbins 10/18/2010 7:14:00 PM
Good job, Marianne! You outed El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler (alias "Frank" - 10/15/2010 8:35:44 AM post). He was outsmarted by a woman! (I believe he doesn't think much of women.) I guess this must be his idea of an "undercover operation"! It is not surprising he is now using an alias. He was completely discredited and embarrassed in the El Segundo Herald Letters to the Editor section. He is such an embarrassment to the El Segundo Police Department and to the El Segundo Police Officers Association (a police labor union). But then again, he is doing the dishonest bidding of his police union, which leads to embarrassing situations. ...
QUESTION FOR THE WEBMASTER: Your web site Comment / blog software shows "doesn’t" instead of "doesn't" in my previous post in my web browser (Firefox). It doesn't seem to handle curly-quotes very well. Also, why can't users enter line breaks between paragraphs in posts? The software eliminates line breaks. Lumping everything together as one big paragraph makes longer posts more difficult to read. Maybe that is why some people are using multiple shorter posts.
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Mike Robbins 10/18/2010 7:11:00 PM
Good job, Marianne! You outed El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler (alias "Frank" - 10/15/2010 8:35:44 AM post). He was outsmarted by a woman! (I believe he doesn't think much of women.) I guess this must be his idea of an "undercover operation"! It is not surprising he is now using an alias. He was completely discredited and embarrassed in the El Segundo Herald Letters to the Editor section. He is such an embarrassment to the El Segundo Police Department and to the El Segundo Police Officers Association (a police labor union). But then again, he is doing the dishonest bidding of his police union, which leads to embarrassing situations. ...
QUESTION FOR THE WEBMASTER - Your web site Comment / blog software shows "doesn’t" instead of "doesn't" in my previous quote in my web browser (Firefox). It doesn't seem to handle curly-quotes very well. Also, why can't users enter line breaks between paragraphs in posts? The software eliminates line breaks. Lumping everything together as one big paragraph makes longer posts more difficult to read. Maybe that is why some people are using multiple shorter posts.
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Mike Robbins 10/18/2010 6:32:00 PM
Good job, Marianne! You outed El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler (alias "Frank" - 10/15/2010 8:35:44 AM post). He was outsmarted by a woman! (I believe he doesn’t think much of women.) I guess this must be his idea of an "undercover operation"! It is not surprising he is now using an alias. He was completely discredited and embarrassed in the El Segundo Herald Letters to the Editor section. He is such an embarrassment to the El Segundo Police Department and to the El Segundo Police Officers Association (a police labor union). But then again, he is doing the dishonest bidding of his police union, which leads to embarrassing situations.
Here is one example of Sergeant Rex Fowler being discredited and embarrassed.
The El Segundo police officers and firefighters "associations", like most police officers and firefighters "associations", pretend they are not unions because most people know how corrupt the public safety unions have become. These "associations" avoid using the word "union" in their name and their publicity. And at least some of their members argue vociferously that they are not a labor union.
Sergeant Rex Fowler argued in a Letter to the Editor published in the September 23, 2010 edition of the El Segundo Herald newspaper, on page 23, that his El Segundo Police Officers Association (ESPOA) is not a labor union. It should be obvious he made this argument to divert attention away from the corrupt practices his police union uses to get their obscenely excessive salaries, benefits, and pensions.
He wrote in his letter, which he titled "FACT CHECK":
"The police officers have an association, not a union. We have no shop-steward and are not part of SEIU or Teamsters. Once a year, the 57 (or so) of us vote for five peers to represent us in good faith negotiations. They are cops, not union bosses, and all have donated numerous hours to participate in association programs benefitting the city."
I wrote back in a Letter to the Editor published in the September 30, 2010 edition of the El Segundo Herald, titled "THE REAL FACT CHECK", as follows:
The labor law firm that represents the El Segundo police and fire unions lists all of their clients on their website (SHSLaborLaw.com) - 64 police "associations" and 38 firefighter "associations". The labor law firm refers to all of their clients as "public safety employee unions". See http://www.shslaborlaw.com/about and http://www.shslaborlaw.com/clients.
The El Segundo police and fire “associations” perform the usual functions that labor unions perform. They engage in collective bargaining, political organizing/campaigning, and give endorsements and shovel money to the most liberal tax-and-spend politicians. They effectively hire their own bosses with whom they “negotiate” their pay increases. They get favorable labor laws passed that allow them to extort even more money from the taxpayers. And they harass those who exercise their First Amendment right to disagree at their workplace.
What good is it if the police and fire unions put a happy face on their “associations” by participating in local events, and then bankrupt our city as the police and fire unions did in Vallejo, California?"
I did not have space in my letter to include the following additional information debunking Sergeant Rex Fowler's lies. However, it was included in my PublicSafetyProject.org web site at http://www.publicsafetyproject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html#are_they_unions:
Also, this labor law firm has an upcoming seminar titled, "How to Run a Police and Fire Union", taught by one of their lawyers, Robert M. Wexler, scheduled for 02/16/2011 - 02/18/2011 at The Flamingo Las Vegas in Las Vegas NV. See the "Upcoming Seminars" list on their "Training & Seminars" web page at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/training_and_seminars, and their list of attorneys at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/attorneys. See the biography for Robert M. Wexler at http://www.shslaborlaw.com/robert_wexler. His biography states, "Robert also represents employees and labor unions":
"Widely regarded as a creative and successful negotiator who has bargained a myriad of innovative agreements on behalf of his clients, Robert also represents employees and labor unions in prosecuting grievances of unfair labor practices, litigating employment disputes, defending individuals during disciplinary investigations and prosecuting and defending writs and appeals. His clients include some of the largest municipal police and firefighters associations in California.
"Mr. Wexler is frequently invited to speak to both labor and management about collective bargaining ... ."
Clearly, you don't have to have a "shop-steward" or be "part of SEIU or Teamsters" to be a union.
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Marianne 10/18/2010 12:25:00 PM
I don't know what it takes for a dishonest and incompetent police officer or firefighter to get fired. It seems the police and firefighter unions protect their members no matter how dishonest or incompetent they are. And the city cannot easily get rid of the dishonest and incompetent union members during layoffs either. The union contracts require that employees with the least seniority must be laid off first. Also, employees with more seniority have something called "bumping rights" which allow them to move down a position or two and "bump" a less senior employee out of their position. It sounds really crazy to base layoffs on seniority rather than things like honesty and competence. But this is how government employee unions have been ruining our city and our state. It is not a random accident that both our city and state are having serious financial problems and cannot weather this recession very well. Regarding El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler, he has a lot of "seniority" - he hired in to the Police Department on 12/22/1988, and he is still there! And he gets paid a lot of extra money for "longevity" - another police and firefighter union trick to get more money from the taxpayers.
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El Segundo resident 10/18/2010 12:23:00 PM
Seniority, bumping rights, and longevity all sound crazy! Whatever happened to good old fashioned competence and honesty to keep your job and get pay raises? And of course, don't drive your employer into bankruptcy if you want to keep your job! The United Auto Workers did this, and we taxpayers were forced to bail them out. You know the police and firefighter unions will want us to bail out the city government after they bankrupt it. They already want new trash taxes on residents and higher business taxes to bail them out. I just thought of something. What happens when a police officer or firefighter should get laid off, and he bumps another employee - who bumps another employee - and so on? That sounds like a real cluster-mess! These police and firefighter unions have got to go!
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Marianne 10/18/2010 12:22:00 PM
I don't know what it takes for a dishonest and incompetent police officer or firefighter to get fired. It seems the police and firefighter unions protect their members no matter how dishonest or incompetent they are. And the city cannot easily get rid of the dishonest and incompetent union members during layoffs either. The union contracts require that employees with the least seniority must be laid off first. Also, employees with more seniority have something called "bumping rights" which allow them to move down a position or two and "bump" a less senior employee out of their position. It sounds really crazy to base layoffs on seniority rather than things like honesty and competence. But this is how government employee unions have been ruining our city and our state. It is not a random accident that both our city and state are having serious financial problems and cannot weather this recession very well. Regarding El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler, he has a lot of "seniority" - he hired in to the Police Department on 12/22/1988, and he is still there! And he gets paid a lot of extra money for "longevity" - another police and firefighter union trick to get more money from the taxpayers.
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Marianne 10/18/2010 11:43:00 AM
The police union demanded and received 15% in guaranteed raises during this recession, while everyone else was pinching pennies. Similarly, the firefighters union demanded and received 11.25% in guaranteed raises during this recession. The police and firefighter unions were way overpaid before these raises, and are the main cause of the city's financial problems. They have received much larger raises than the other employee groups for many years, yet they want all city employees to take the same pay cuts. This is unfair, because it makes the other city employees suffer disproportionately compared to the police officers and firefighters who earn disproportionately more and are far more overpaid. The police and firefighters should take the biggest pay cuts. It is only fair and reasonable.
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El Segundo resident 10/18/2010 11:15:00 AM
Way to go Marianne! Looks like you've been busted, Mr. El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler! You hold an important position of public trust and authority. You carry a gun and a badge. But with all the lies you've been telling, it makes me wonder whether you have comprised your ability to perform your duties as an El Segundo police officer and should be discharged. Hey, it would save the taxpayers $226,224 each year! Looks like you cannot be trusted and can be discredited with anything you write in a police report or affidavit, or say in testimony in court. Any attorney worth his salt would do an internet search on you and find the reference to your letter in the September 9, 2010 El Segundo Herald newspaper, and could find out more about your dishonesty from Mike Robbins and David Burns and probably from their web sites - www.publicsafetyproject.org and www.elsegundoblog.blogspot.com. Does the El Segundo Police Department have any code of conduct or professional standards for its police officers? I think you're in trouble, dude!
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Marianne 10/18/2010 10:26:00 AM
El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler (alias "Frank" in his 10/15/2010 8:35:44 AM post) failed to disclose that he is one of the very highly paid El Segundo police union members because that would expose his real motives and destroy his credibility. He is attacking the whistleblowers because he does not want us to analyze the police and fire union contracts that enriched union members with unsustainable compensation, with no burden sharing during city financial crises.
El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler's 2009 total earnings were $165,162 before recent big raises, and excluding his CalPERS millionaire pension contributions of about $49,867 and another $11,195 in insurance benefits in 2009. His 2009 total earnings plus his CalPERS pension contributions and insurance benefits paid by the city taxpayers is about a whopping $226,224. Given his 12/22/1988 hire date, he is well on his way to retiring at age 55 and raking in more than $4 Million plus COLA increases, at 90% of his highest paid year annually. Not bad for a job that only requires a "U.S. high school diploma/G.E.D. equivalent" and good health and physical condition to be hired! See http://www.elsegundo.org/police/sworn_employment/entry_level_police_officer/default.asp for the job applicant requirements to become an El Segundo Police Officer.
It isn't exactly rocket science, yet these overpaid police officers and firefighters are paid much bigger salaries, benefits and pensions than the rocket scientists and other aerospace and defense engineers who work in El Segundo at Boeing, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, and other companies, and who pay the taxes to pay those bloated police and firefighter union salaries, benefits, and pensions.
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Marianne 10/18/2010 9:52:00 AM
As most people can see, El Segundo Police Sergeant Rex Fowler (alias "Frank" in his 10/15/2010 8:35:44 AM post) had to resort to false and malicious personal attacks against the two El Segundo whistleblowers because none of the facts are on his side. Also, he cannot disprove any of the facts presented by the whistleblowers and by LA Weekly news reporter Paul Teetor.
Anyone can see the facts and data provided by former El Segundo Councilman Mike Robbins at his PublicSafetyProject.org web site (http://www.PublicSafetyProject.org/elsegundo/elsegundo_payroll.html), and by El Segundo blogger David Burns at his Gundo Blogger web site (http://www.elsegundoblog.blogspot.com/). These web sites contain useful information including official public record city employee compensation data provided by the City of El Segundo. The sources of the data and other information are also provided. Sergeant Fowler has provided no factual information and no reliable sources of information to support any of his defamatory claims.
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Marianne 10/18/2010 9:24:00 AM
El Segundo Police Sergeant and police union member Rex Fowler (alias "Frank" in his 10/15/2010 8:35:44 AM post) has been engaging in false and vicious personal attacks against the two El Segundo whistleblowers as a diversionary tactic on behalf of his union. They cannot allow the exposure and debate over their indefensible salaries, benefits, and pensions to continue. They and the El Segundo firefighters union refuse to take responsibility for the damage they have done to our city's financial condition, independent of the current recession. They won't take responsibility for their long history of excessive demands because they refuse to accept reasonable levels of salary and benefits. The El Segundo police and firefighters are paid far more than police and firefighters in larger cities with more crime and fires.
Almost all the El Segundo firefighters and police officers do not live in the city, and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain if the city cuts all other services to maintain their hugely excessive and unsustainable salaries and benefits. Sergeant Rex Fowler was probably chosen by his union to engage in the personal attacks and mudslinging because he is one of the few public safety employees that lives in the city. However, he is a renter, and if his union trashes the city, he can just move.
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Marianne 10/18/2010 6:58:00 AM
It should be obvious who "Frank" is (Frank 10/15/2010 8:35:44 AM post). Take a look at the letter in the September 9, 2010 El Segundo Herald newspaper signed by "Rex Fowler" (an El Segundo Police Sergeant and police union member). Then compare it with his post here to the L.A. Weekly article "A Stink in El Segundo Over Cadillac Salaries".
Both his letter in the El Segundo Herald and his post here have six unusual and false personal attack themes in common: 1) Relied on false personal attacks because none of the facts are on his side; 2) Attempted to divert attention away from the real issue of grossly excessive and indefensible police and firefighter pay by baiting the whistleblowers with false and malicious personal attacks in the hope they will spend all their time defending themselves; 3) Mislabeling the whistleblower as a "disgruntled city employee"; 4) Falsely attacking the whistle blower as a nut, specifically, as a gun and militia nut; 5) Falsely claiming the whistleblower was fired - a claim he applied (in his letter) to Mike Robbins, who was an elected City Council member and not a city employee; and (in his post) to David Burns, who was not fired; 6) Falsely claiming the whistle blower was banned from calling KABC talk radio by their hosts.
Mere coincidence? Of course not! YOU ARE BUSTED, El Segundo Police Sergeant and police union member REX FOWLER! You are an angry, insecure, and dishonest overpaid police union member and you cannot justify what you are paid. And the next time you fill out a job application, remember to add "Frank" to your list of aliases!
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El Segundo resident 10/18/2010 5:24:00 AM
Wow! Those police and firefighters sure do get incredible salaries just because they are in public employee unions. If they weren't in their unions, they would have to get paid what they are really worth, which is a lot less.
The police and firefighter unions want to jack up the taxes on residents and businesses. It's like the taxpayers are being robbed of millions of dollars each year by the police and firefighters, and then the police claim El Segundo is a low-crime city!
This police and fire union thievery contributes to the unemployment rate, because there is less money to pay for salaries for other employee positions, and the city is laying off employees due to lack of money.
The taxpayers need to unite and vote to take back control of their city government from the police and firefighter unions, and the city council members they helped elect.
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Marianne 10/18/2010 4:20:00 AM
I want to thank Paul Teetor for his excellent article on the grossly overpaid El Segundo police officers and firefighters, on the two whistleblowers who have researched and publicized this problem, and on El Segundo Police Captain Robert Turnbull's harassment of one of the whistleblowers - David Burns - at his work place. This type of harassment and corruption in the Police Department must not be tolerated.
Keep up the good work, Mr. Teetor. But keep in mind - you have only scratched the surface on the dishonesty and abuses by the El Segundo police and firefighter unions. Please do follow-up stories. There is much more material than you can fit in one or two articles as long as this one.
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bryan 10/17/2010 10:01:00 PM
i know for a long time
these people do not serve and protect people
they serve and protect themselves abundantly
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D. Burns 10/17/2010 2:39:00 PM
I wanted to add some follow-up to one "odd" post here, addressing "Frank", who is using an alias to hide his identity. I stand in front of my words, nobody speaks for me. What I do on my blog has nothing to do with my job. Frank is one of those twisted folks who is probably probably stalking me and my family, and probably is a safety official here in town who is obsessed with dragging my job into this debate. It isn't relevant to the debate. What I do, my living, and my career, has nothing to do with what is going on in my hometown as I am not employed by the city of El Segundo. This is also not about other public employees or other cities, counties, or state workers. It's only about what goes on in this town. What I am fighting is not the people. I am fighting a disease or a cancer. As we have all witnessed in the past few months with the City of Bell, greed is an awful disease. This "disease", exhibits symptoms of greed, cronyism, corruption, all embedded within a predatory, dysfunctional culture of special interests, are all intent on serving an agenda that ultimately harms the community (my town). The on-going costs to serve the El Segundo safety unions insatiable appetites for outrageous salaries is unsustainable for our town (we cannot afford it). When I posted the public safety salary numbers for the residents and my neighbors to see, the impact was great. As I have repeatedly stated in my blog, public service was never supposed to be about making our public servants fantastically wealthy, especially in a town of our size, demographics, and call volume. And yet it has, and if something isn't done soon to end it, our town will be ruined as 188 of the approximately 245 full-time city staff are making over $100,000 annually - folks that is 73% of our staff. Frank is the symptom of the personal attacks I have endured. Frank also knows I would surely sue him in civil court for libel, if he had any courage to actually identify himself and stand in front of his baseless accusations and attempts to defame me. It's outright lies. But cowards like "Frank" hide in anonymity. You get used to it. I am simply a resident who is saying enough! Enough of taxes and fees on our residents. Enough of taxes and fees on our town's small businesses & corporations. Enough of excessive public safety salaries. When it comes down to closing our parks, libraries, and other services, it should not be over public safety salaries, which I consider locally to be excessive and a threat to our city's future fiscal stability. That makes me a target. The El Segundo firefighter and police associations have turned my concerns into some kind of personal argument or vendetta about me, and my job. They have tried to link my displeasure (a resident's anger), over the budget disaster as some kind of personal vendetta against them. While convenient for their agenda, it simply isn't true. I am just a lone voice with guts enough to speak out as a resident. There is no hate here for our public safety officials. I am a public safety official. I;ve been doing this for three decades now. I work side-by-side everyday with firefighters, police officers, and emergency medical services personnel in the City of LA in my work as a public safety professional. I am very comfortable in my work as a civilian in public safety. I am on-call 24/7, and respond to emergencies from home and at work. I train public safety officials, coordinate, and rely on them to get our jobs done. We work together everyday. As LA Weekly's Paul Teeter mentioned, my dad was a cop, my uncle was a cop - severely injured in the line of duty twice before he retired from a near fatal assault in 1978 in San Francisco. I was sixteen, it is a memory I'll never forget. My uncle survived the SF Police Department "Park Station" bombing on February 16, 1970, the killed one on-duty police sergeant, and severely injured several other police officers. My uncle made about $25,000 a year back then as a cop. He was my hero. I watched him serve the public, and it wasn't about the money, it never was about the money. It was being given the honor to serve the public and giving something back to the community. I was raised in a generation where public safety was a calling, and I knew when I entered the profession, I would never get paid enough, and what I did mattered in ways unnoticed by the public. When I became an EMT in 1981, few would have bothered to sign up for a job that paid $4.65 an hour, just above minimum wage, and gave me the privilege of being able to participate in life's great game. There are too many unlucky people who wouldn't do this sort of job (working with the public). They would choose to watch the action from the sidelines, or in the comfort of their homes on television. I became a paramedic at $10.00 an hour, and then a field supervisor. I paid my "field" dues, and I did it making just between $19,000 to $23,000 a year. For that period in my life, it was the best time I ever had, the hardest work I ever did, for the cheapest salary ever. I worked as an EMT/paramedic in the mean streets of Oakland for 10 hard years from 1981 to 1990 working in a system that ran over 50,000 EMS calls annually. In comparison to El Segundo, what El Segundo runs in service calls for one entire year, we would run in Oakland in just two weeks, AND the calls we ran were not average. Thousands of gunshot wounds, and so many horrific calls that would curl your hair. Suffice to say, these experiences remain vivid in my memory, and I fall back on my skills and training to this very day. In my 7 years working in El Segundo (1999-2006), they really never seemed to have a clue how the big urban cities really work for a living compared to the sheltered tree-lined streets of Gundo. The cops and firefighters honestly believe they should be paid the same and recognized as major cities like Oakland, Sacramento, San Jose, Long Beach, etc. The El Segundo public safety officials have a very selective recall when it doesn't serve their political agenda, and realm of limited experience working in a small town suburb averaging a minuscule call volume just 2,300 fire & EMS calls annually for service (69 minor fires annually), and cops with little to do. In reality, it's just small town with a high quality of service and it costs way too much. When I left nearly 5 years ago, everything was fine. I left an award-winning program, and ran a grant program that brought in over $2.3 million to our police and fire departments. That saved millions in general fund spending. That is what I consider to be "support" for public safety. The police and fire association's definition of support is $$$, and anything else, and you're the enemy. When I started the Gundo Blog as a result of the petition drive to merge with LA County fire and raise awareness of the true costs of our safety services, the public safety associations immediately revised my past history and began a campaign of lies about me, mislead the town, andconstantly denigrate my service and past experience. I am no disruntled ex-employee or no wanna-be firefighter/cop reject. In 1990, I retired from the field as a paramedic operations manager due to the disability and hearing loss I incurred culminating with my field work as a paramedic during the Loma Prieta 880/Cypress freeway earthquake collapse in October 1989. I've got two bum knees, and a rotator cuff injury. I have not been able to meet the physical requirements for cop or firefighter since 1990, even if I wanted to apply. They would have you believe that I am pining away, angry and bitter because they consider what I do to be less than equal to what they do (not worthy). They would have you all believe that I earn over $130 thousand dollars annually, and I don't - not even close. I am an "exempt" public safety employee, working in a community of 69,000 and I earn around $90,000 with my medical benefits combined. That means no overtime pay, and no other special benefits - that's total (true earnings). My total earnings are easily searched by visiting the Sacramento Bee's state employee database. I respond to emergencies on campus, and from home to the campus as a 24/7 "on-call" emergency employee. One major duty is activating the campus mass warning systems during any imminent threat to the health and safety of the campus community. In light of the Virginia Tech tragedy in 2007, I have significant on and off-duty responsibilities for a community of 69,000 students, faculty, and staff. "Frank" thinks my civilian public safety role in the City of Los Angeles is not worthy in comparison to what a cop or firefighter does here in El Segundo. Frank is entitled to his opinion. Although it could hardly be considered objective. While others may differ in their opinions, I take my job and role very seriously. I am just one resident who is standing up for my family, a town I love, and my neighbors. It may sound cliche, but the needs of the many (residents) outweigh the needs of the few (fire and police association members). The vast majority of the "few" don't even live here in our town, yet they want to try and determine the fate of our community. I disagree.
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Joe Blow Citizen 10/17/2010 12:56:00 PM
Why would the council members risk closure of libraries, pools and recreation centers just so police and fire can retire at age 50-55 on 90 percent of their salaries? I am appalled that our Mayor said he would raise salaries again, even knowing how bad the economy is. That just sounds stupid. Why did the city council allow the El Segundo Police to close their lobby at night? Councilman Brann wanted to raise the business Utility User Tax (UUT) by millions just to give the money back to the cops and firefighters. El Segundo is slowly being run into the ground by a bunch a lunatics.
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Joey T 10/17/2010 12:35:00 PM
This is all about money, salaries, and convenience for firemen and cops. It will change nothing for the taxpayers. It doesn't matter to Joe Citizen on a daily basis. The union greed is awful and is killing our cities, county, state, and country. It's time to cut back on the inflated salaries and benefits given to these government workers. Cut the pay of firemen and cops and you will still have more than enough applicants for these coveted jobs. As for the police captain, I hope the FBI investigates this man, his actions are clearly violating civil rights under color of authority.
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Frank 10/17/2010 7:52:00 AM
I seem to have struck a nerve with Billy and the last thing I wanted to do was digress into a mudslinging contest. I have learned to conduct my own research, remain objective and monitor my surroundings in El Segundo for the past 20 years. If you, Billy, put your trust in any person who cruises the El Segundo streets in his privately owned version of an undercover solid black police car, complete with lights, you should re-evaluate your association with this person. This alone screams of some kind of identification confusion. This is NOT normal adult behavior that I’m sure the California Board of Regents is aware. Also Billy, your writing style looks eerily similar, almost identical, to the repetitive and angry blog posts of Mr. Burns himself. I’m not a detective, but it appears either he wrote that resume type response for you, or he created another persona and did it himself. Maybe that’s why he is driving a phony police car, feeding a need to hold a position of authority (sounds dangerous to me). As for the others posts, you make a compelling argument related to our Fire Department. However, when needed, they are on scene within minutes, and transport many residents to local hospitals for non-life threatening needs. This is a service that many of our residents have become accustomed. That being said, transferring our fire protection and paramedic service to Los Angeles County, although unpopular, makes financial sense. And for the public safety critics and other loud mouths that minimize the qualifications for public service, I suggest you throw your hat in the ring. Take a test if you think it’s so easy, and put on one of those uniforms. I’m willing to bet you don’t have the courage or you fail to meet their minimum hiring standards like Mr. Burns, which is probably why he is so angry. If I were young enough, I know I’d be in line applying. I'm done replying to blockheads!
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JD 10/16/2010 2:25:00 AM
I am a recent retiree from the City of El Segundo, and I know the Burns family, as does most of the town. Frank is flat out nuts. The real issue here is you have someone (burns) who is very knowledgeable about the inner workings of city hall, how to navigate the budget, and wade through the politics. Burns has been very articulate in his blog, and he can easily justify the facts he has presented to our community. The police and fire associations are just angry because burns can cut through their rhetoric and call them on the carpet, which they hate. So far, Burns has been the most credible in outlining the budget issues, salary problems, how we got in this mess in the first place. Burns is also keeping the heat on them and they don't like it. I applaud his courage to confront the issues in our town. He must really be getting under the fire and police assn's skins, because they are rabid for him. It doesn't matter what burns earns; he doesn't work for the city of el segundo, and Frank's rant even attacks even private sector workers for their salaries. El Segundo has a right to know what our city employees are earning, we are the taxpayers, and we pay the bills. Burns has done a great job exposing the truth, and the el segundo safety employees cannot handle the truth.
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Desk Jockey's Wife 10/16/2010 1:45:00 AM
Response to Frank
Obviously Frank has been feeding at the public trough much too long. He has lost all touch with reality.
He seems to think that any high school graduate should be able to earn more than 200,000 a year, retire at age 50 with a multimillion dollar pension. Everyone should work only ten days a month, get to sleep eight hours while on duty play eight hours and polish engines for eight hours.
While they may have earned extra educational credits at taxpayer expense, (no student loans) Frank serves as an example of the IQ needed for the basket-weaving they must be taking.
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Desk Jockey's Wife 10/16/2010 1:13:00 AM
WHOA! Obviously Frank does not sit behind a desk doing what he calls "meaningless work" He could be a fireman who works 10 days a month, sleeps 8 hours, plays 8 hours and polishes an engine 8 hours. A prerequisite for this critical, dangerous job is a high school diploma and the city pays for any additional basketweaving courses he takes. No student loans to repay and he gets to retire at 50 with a pension few millionaires have. Plus he gets medical, sental, vision for life for his family. What kind of IQ does this job entail?
Or maybe he gets to ride around in a police car, hide out down at the beach, and collect his pension. Danger? yes! But no more that other dangerous professions with far, fewer benefits.
What kind of pension do our soldiers get? They get shot at every day. What kind of salary do they get?
Frank has been feeding at the public trough too long. He is completely out of touch with the rest of the world. If he expects any of our aerospace engineers to cry for him, he is sadly mistaken!
Meaningless desk job, indeed! How dumb do you have to be to expect a crack like that to engender sympathy for your position..
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Billy T. 10/16/2010 1:05:00 AM
I've known Mr. Burns for over a decade, working for a local aerospace company, and I have a son attending UCLA. Burns founded the El Segundo's CERT program in 2000, and I took one of his classes. Burns is one of the best emergency managers and instructors in LA County, whose talents were being wasted in El Segundo. Burns always came to class well prepared, giving us firsthand information from his experience as a paramedic in Oakland, and his role in the Loma Prieta earthquake response in October, 1989. Burns helped put our preparedness training into perspective, he knows what he is talking about. The El Segundo firefighter instructors usually came to class unprepared, reading directly from their textbooks, unable to navigate the class slides, put people to sleep, and just used the class as a way to seek promotion, and when they didn't get it, they quit teaching. They mostly whined and moaned about having to be in the class. Burns also created the city's Business & Industry Emergency Preparedness Association, and ran the city's Super CPR programs, and these program still run today. Burns is not some disgruntled ex-employee, he still works as a volunteer for the city in the Emergency Services amateur radio program, and taught the El Segundo Unified School District teacher's CERT skills. I don't know where "Frank" got his information (probably from an angry cop or firefighter), but everyone in town knows why Burns left, he posted his goodbye letter to the city in both the Daily Breeze and Herald, and he left an award winning program. Burns left because he had more opportunities with a major university, for his family, and for his career. It has led to TV appearances, and many other opportunities based on his expertise. It is just wrong for a resident to come in this forum and lie. UCLA has won two awards for Burns work in making UCLA one of the safest campuses in the USA with the development of UCLA's BruinAlert system: http://www.athoc.com/news/press-releases/2008/release-ucla-cesa-release.html and http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/AtHoc-Congratulates-UCLA-Winning-Government-Security-News-Homeland-Security-Award-Universitys-1067589.htm
If you're going to lie, at least have the courage to use your real name. Burns is doing a great public service by prying the facts out from city hall and writing his blog. The only problem here is the cops and firefighters cannot justify their agendas, so they have to create revisionist history and spread vicious lies and evil stories about about a good man with a wonderful family. The town knows the real story here. And I glad to know that Burns is in charge of my son's safety. As for Burns' salary, he makes less than $100k, and its easily searchable through public records in the Sacramento Bee, not the $130,000 Frank is lying about. Frank's full of it and I doubt Frank even lives in town, probably just another angry safety association member posting more garbage.
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Frank 10/15/2010 6:35:00 PM
I am an El Segundo resident and it is a very small quant town where everyone knows everyone. It is rare to have this type of residential environment in Los Angeles amidst the chaos surrounding our city boarders. You, who authored this article, unfortunately relied on inaccurate data provided by two socially and psychologically inept people (Mr. Burns and Robbins). Robbins, a gun and militia nut, was voted out of city office for his unstable behavior and was even banned from calling KABC talk radio by their hosts for his incessant calls into their station regarding firearms. Burns is an angry former El Segundo employee, who petitioned the city for a “safety” retirement (same as police and fire), was denied and left in lieu of termination for poor work performance. He now earns nearly $130K, which is far more than a front line police officer, for which Burns has around 1/10 the daily responsibility (now that’s a tragedy and misuse of public funds). The city of El Segundo is nowhere near bankrupt and has over $20 million in reserves (far more reserve funds than any other city of similar size) and instead of dipping into savings our elected officials asked all city employees for salary and benefits concessions. It has been reported that all city bargaining groups, with the exception of the Fire Department, agreed to 12% concessions (positive step). As far as bloated police compensation, they all make a comfortable living and that is undeniable. As a resident and city tax payer, I am perfectly fine with their wages. Our police are proactive and they are the sole reason crime is low and our city property values remain high even in this depressed economy. Our police have earned a no-nonsense reputation in the south bay and criminals avoid or tip toe through our city. Bottom line, you get what you pay for and I choose to pay for the CADALIC of police programs. Their daily job is equally as dangerous as any other law enforcement agency in the area. Ask the two El Segundo officers who were shot two years ago or another El Segundo hero and active community member, Officer Barrett, who was crippled after being shot while protecting our city by a drunken illegal alien. El Segundo police executive staff earns handsome salaries as do any executives in the private sector. I thank Captain Turnbull for exposing Mr. Burns and his own bloated public salary, for which he doesn’t deserve. Let’s see if Robbins is willing to provide his earnings and justify why someone who sits at a desk doing meaningless work earns so much.
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Gayle 10/14/2010 11:02:00 PM
A lot of ranting on the boards regarding police and fire salaries, but NO action! Absolutely the best article thus far regarding the subject. Time for an article on Manhattan Beach Police and Fire salaries. They make more than El Segundo PD/FD. DON'T STOP until this is fixed and start uniting to fix this problem. CUTS, CUTS, CUTS!!!
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mewo nix 10/14/2010 8:23:00 PM
This is yet ANOTHER example of dirt-bag cops with entitled attitudes using their position as a law enforcement officer to harass a citizen for being critical of his own corruption. They're WHOLLY corrupt,as is every member of the El Segundo city council as well. The ONLY difference between them and the filthy corrupt thieves of the City of Bell is that Bell is a poor area with PLENTY of crime. Much more work for them to do over there, and NONE of them deserved any more than $100,000/year for law enforcement, and no more than $35,000 for a Citiy Council person (it's part-time anyway). No more than $60,000/year for a city manager (bell is too small and the property value too low for anyone to be making more than $60,000/year as a city manager. Hell, Bell has MORE people than El Segundo, and I don't care how upscale El Segundo thinks they are, NOBODY in ANY official position in that city should be paid more than $100,000/year MAXIMUM. If you can't handle yourself with $100,000/year, then why should anyone trust you with doing your job properly? You can't even handle your own finances. That cop is a police officer, and therefore EVERYTHING about him should be above board and above reproach. He's not above reproach at a salary like that in a town that small, he's just MILKING the public funds for all he can get. Whoever approved these salaries should be prosecuted for misuse of public funds.
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Disgusted 10/14/2010 6:35:00 PM
The last raise given by the City Council was an exchange in order to rein in even higher benefits. When you see Councilman Jacobson and Councilman Brann reverse their usual positions, questions should be raised. Jacobson is known for his restraint and Brann has yet to find an expenditure he didn't like.
The furlough days do nothing to correct the out of control salaries in the Fire and Police departments. If any additional revenue becomes available, the furloughs will be cancelled and it will be business as usual. The unions will continue to control the city and the taxpayers in it.
When public safety employees are paid way more than college graduates or more than doctors it has to be with tacit approval of the voters. Unless the voters are dumb enough to elect Council members like Brann, Fisher and Bush.
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Chris 10/14/2010 7:30:00 AM
Wow, I just read an article on CNN money web page that lists the top 20 paying jobs. An Anesthesiologist with a medium income of 290,000 and top pay being 393,000. The education, training and internship for this profession is significantly more than being a policeman or police chief. Something is rotten in city government. Perhaps it was initiated by Jerry Brown when he allowed city employees to unionize. When a union job gets better pay and benefits than a professional position that requires significant investment of time and money something is out of balance. Shame on the Union's, they are no longer about preventing abuse of workers, they now abuse the taxpayers!