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Man Oh Man On Man!
Gendy Alimurung’s cover story last week (“Man on Man: The new gay romance, written by and for straight women,” Dec. 18) is generating a lot of heat, and not all of it sexual. But first the sexual, er, romantic, and let us note at the outset: Gay romance is very popular in the hinterlands, from Australia to Arkansas.

Jessica Freely writes from Detroit: “Thank you for a thorough, open-minded and informative article. M/M is getting bigger and better every day, and support from mainstream media outlets like yours is part of that process. Hugs!”

Mainstream? Hugs? We don’t think so, Jessica, thanks just the same. BTW, are you any relation to I.P.?

More hugs from Silver Pixies, who apparently is a person rather than a holiday elf shop, in Clayton, North Carolina: “Everything you said about M/M romance and women is true, and you talked to wonderful writers. All of them I covet and love.”

Love2read doesn’t provide a hometown. Read on to find out why: “As a woman who enjoys reading a variety of genres, M/M is fast becoming one of my favorites, be it paranormal, urban fantasy or suspense. My family doesn’t know what I read, yet I know if they find out, I would be teased and snickered at since it is something they and many others have issues with. To me, M/M has everything I enjoy: HEA or HERN, a committed relationship and hot yummy bits. To me this makes a good story, not the fact that it is two guys (or more than two, as the case may be). but two (or more) people falling in love and overcoming obstacles to get their HEA.”

HEA? HERN? HUH?

“I think for many women, gay erotic romance is a guilty pleasure,” says Carol Lynne from Kansas City. “They can put the kids to bed, curl up in a chair, download an e-book and escape into an entirely different world. Quite often their husbands don’t even know what genre they’re reading. Many of them join online chat groups to discuss their love of gay romances because they can’t openly discuss them with the people who surround them in their everyday lives. I find it sad that some women can’t openly express this side of themselves without being thought of as naughty, but then women have always been taught to downplay their sexuality.”

Men too, Carol Lynne, men too. Here’s one calling himself Nigel Puerasch, who writes from Melbourne: “I am a writer of original ‘slash,’ with several published short stories. I am a mostly gay man. I often prefer the writing by women because it has emotional depth and power. Sometimes, it’s true, slash can be thinly disguised women, unconvincing portrayals of men. But much more often, some of the most moving and most powerful (and therefore most erotic) stories and romances between men are written by women. And this is not new. Think of Mary Renault’s novels.

“I’m glad to write stories that involve love ending in ‘happy ever after,’ which doesn’t always happen in real life, especially to gay men. Life can be a bit bleak. Why not hope that you will find Mr. Right, and that he will love you not just because of your nice butt and great pecs, but because he sees the inner you?

Oh, come, Nigel, what planet are you living on? Australia?

 

More Men Who Like Women Who Write About Men, and One Who Really Doesn’t
One such man is Alex Beecroft from Sutton in Cambridgeshire, U.K., an M/M writer mentioned in Alimurung’s piece as the author of False Colors. “An awful lot of gay men also read M/M romance and find it close enough to their own experience to function as entertainment and wish fulfillment for them, too. So either the heroes of M/M romance are recognizable as men to men, or the wish for love is universal no matter what your gender.

“I guess what I’m trying to say is that, as a genre, M/M romance appeals to and is written by women of all sorts, not just heterosexual, and gay men too, and the people who enjoy reading it are drawn from pretty much the entire spectrum of the human race with the possible exception of straight men.”

David Ehrenstein of Los Angeles, a frequent contributor to the Weekly, isn’t a fan of straight women writing M/M. He says he’s surprised that “Laura Albert (aka JT LeRoy) wasn’t mentioned. She’s the reducto ad absurdum of all this psychosexual poaching.”

Alex Albert from Toronto begs to differ. “It’s not fair to compare female authors using male or gender-neutral pseudonyms to JT LeRoy, who invented an entire sobbing life story and used it to slither into people’s confidence,” says Alex. “None of the people in the article are doing anything of the kind. Pseudonyms are nothing new. Men write heterosexual romances under female pseudonyms as well. If you want to blame anyone, blame a society that stereotypes human beings because it can’t handle fluidity of gender, sex, sexual orientation, you name it; blame a society that’s sex-negative while abusing sex every second of every day to buy us.

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  • David Ehrenstein 01/01/2010 5:38:00 AM

    People can write whatever they want. I'm not obliged to like it. Or even respect it.

  • Mira 01/01/2010 5:20:00 AM

    If straight women shouldn't be allowed to write about gay men, gay men shouldn't be allowed to act like women either (drag queens) - just a thought.

  • David Ehrenstein 01/01/2010 12:46:00 AM

    "Holleran" (not his real name) knows the gay bar and disco scene of the 70's like the back of his hand. Proulx is clueless. It's not that she needed to go specifically there, but it's more than telling that in "Brokeback Molehill" Jack goes to Mexico rather than San Francisco. Had he done so he could have scored a new boyfriend in nothing flat, leaving Ennis to mope all by his lonesome. Again, she's just warmed over Fannie Hurst. "Holleran" is after bigger game. And so is Felice Picano is his work. Heard of him?

  • Niall Lynch 12/31/2009 11:06:00 PM

    Unfortunately, you're still not making any real argument. I'm trying to think of high-brow literature created by a gay man about gay men. Peter Nadas is the only name that comes to mind. And Proust of course. After that it's all middle-brow. And actually the inherent difference in literary merit favoring gay men that you insist on should be most obvious in middle brow fiction. So please show me how Dancer From the Dance is inherently better than Brokeback Mountain, and show me how that superiority stems from the fact that Holleran (Gerber) is gay.

  • David Ehrenstein 12/31/2009 10:53:00 PM

    But speaking of "Brokeback Molehill" http://www.laweekly.com/2005-12-29/film-tv/horsefeathers

  • David Ehrenstein 12/31/2009 9:23:00 PM

    Pitting two middle-brow pieces of writing against one another is nonsense. How's about Isherwood's "A Single Man" vs. Marguerite Duras' "Yann Andrea Steiner"? Atvantage to the closet dyke?

  • Niall Lynch 12/31/2009 8:32:00 PM

    Well, David, if your argument is about "literary merit" then you have to explain how gay men's writing about gay men has intrinsically superior literary merit to straight people's writing about gay men. You know, that Andrew Hollaran's Dancer From the Dance is intrinsically superior in literary terms to Annie Proulx's Brokeback Mountain, for no other reason than that the former is a gay man and the latter is not? That's just nonsense.

  • David Ehrenstein 12/31/2009 5:42:00 PM

    My "argument" has always been about literary merit. After all these posts you're NOW announcing to me that I'm obliged to take "slash" seriously? AS IF!!!!!!!!!

  • Niall Lynch 12/31/2009 12:45:00 PM

    But David, your argument wasn't about literary merit. It was about the identity of writers. You explicitly stated that non-gay writers writing about gay experience endangered the ability of gay men to write about themselves. Please present the tiniest shred of evidence to support this fatuous claim. Otherwise give it up.

  • David Ehrenstein 12/31/2009 9:24:00 AM

    The fact that you vauntmiddlebrows like Mary Renault and Patricia Nell Warren and dismiss a masterpiece like "Dhalgren" as merely "trippy" is proof enough. You don't take gay literature seriously at all. Therefore these's no point in discussing the matter with you any further.

  • Niall Lynch 12/31/2009 6:19:00 AM

    Ehry - Sure I've heard of Samuel Delaney. Dhalgren was a fun, trippy novel, but nothing special in the gay lit department. I notice that for all your replies, you never get around to explaining how non-gays writing about gay life puts our "hard won" ability to write about ourselves at risk. Perhaps if you explained the causal connection between the two, I'd be more sympathetic. I don't think history is on your side here, though. Mary Renault and Patricia Nell Warren - neither of them gay men - were writing classics of gay romance way back in the 60s and early 70s. I don't see how the writing and subsequent popularity of, say, "The Front Runner" impeded the emergence of gay men writing about gay love and sex. Perhaps you could point out how it did? Please advise.

  • David Ehrenstein 12/31/2009 5:00:00 AM

    "gay men stopped writing about themselves a while ago." Oh really? You've been hanging out with too many Fag-Hags, dear. They're not gay men -- much less writers.

  • David Ehrenstein 12/31/2009 4:58:00 AM

    Does the name Samuel R. Delany mean anythign to you? Probably not.

  • Niall Lynch 12/31/2009 4:48:00 AM

    Ehry - Recall in my comment that I said the last good gay male novel was The Story of Harold. Since that predates anything E. Lynne Harris wrote, it can only mean I don't think Harris was a great writer. I mentioned him only to point out that gay men of color seem at least to actually be writing novels these days. As for the Gordon Merrick comparison, I'm not buying. Harris was definitely superior to Merrick, because he wasn't constantly trying to reproduce Brideshead Revisited. Merrick couldn't even bring himself to write the word "cock" - it's always "his sex" in his purpling prose. But the real issue is your claim that straight people writing gay prose somehow endangers the "hard won" ability of gay men to write about themselves. Which is patent nonsense. And also irrelevant, because gay men stopped writing about themselves a while ago.

  • David Ehrenstein 12/31/2009 2:57:00 AM

    No YOU gwet a grip, bitch! E. Lynn Harris was sub-par Gordon Merrick. REAL gay literature is Scott Heim, Dennis Cooper, Ed White and a host of others. Not that you give a shit.

  • Niall Lynch 12/31/2009 12:56:00 AM

    Ehrenstein's criticism of M/M fiction written by anyone other than 100% bona fide homos is both comical and clueless. Male gay literature has been in decline for decades, at least in the mainstream. It seems to only flourish in the African American community (E. Lynne Harris, eg.) The last really god gay novel was "The Story of Harold", and that was published in 1974. These days the most potent genre of gay-male generated literature is the Craigslist M4M page. Apart from that what is there really? Coming out stories (snore), autobiographies of porn stars (double snore), and SciFi slash/fic. So when Ehrensteins talks about gay writing as though it's, I don't know, Hungarian surrealist comedy, I can only guffaw. Straight people are doing us a big favor by showing us what can be done with the genre. Get a grip, Ehry.

  • David Ehrenstein 12/30/2009 8:20:00 PM

    Don't flatter yourself, Ms. Beecroft. We're all quite aware of the fact that "Alex" may be either male or female. And we've seen "Fatal Attraction" too, now that we're on the subject.

  • Jessica Freely 12/30/2009 3:50:00 AM

    I.P. is my cousin. She writes watersports erotica. Thanks for asking! Sorry if I offended by calling LA Weekly mainstream. I'm not really familiar with the publication and I didn't realize you took yourselves so seriously. Or that you were averse to virtual hugs. Thanks again for the article anyway. It really was great.

  • Alex Beecroft 12/24/2009 10:58:00 PM

    Thanks for mentioning me as an example of "Men Who Like Women Who Write About Men". However, I ought to point out that I'm actually one of those problematical Women, rather than a male supporter. Which is, appropriately enough, a fine example of how it isn't possible to tell men from women by nothing more than their writing.

 

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