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Did Feds Cause the Station-fire Disaster

Ugly allegations that fire officials reduced air support, tankers and backup crews

It’s been six weeks since the Station Fire roared out of control on a sweltering August weekend, but troubling stories grip the communities that edge the Angeles National Forest, where talk is of a mysterious but widely acknowledged pullback by fire crews, the odd lack of crucial water tankers and helicopters, and information screwups that left fire brass seemingly unaware that Big Tujunga Canyon had burned to the ground.

Community meetings, instead of dying out, are being held every few days, Los Angeles County Supervisor Mike Antonovich wants a congressional investigation, and jarring news reports by Paul Pringle at the Los Angeles Times increasingly suggest that major errors by fire officials helped to create the biggest fire in Los Angeles County history.

“I was at another meeting just last night, of the Vogel Flats survivors, where the ranger station and 30 of the 90 cabins burned,” says Mary Benson, a prominent activist in the foothills. “We haven’t gotten to the bottom of why it all burned, but it’s like friendly fire in a war, where everyone is covering their butts and not explaining their real roles in what occurred.”

Key questions have emerged, questions fire officials from Los Angeles city and county, CalFire, and the U.S. Forest Service all seem unprepared to answer about the arson-sparked blaze, which burned 240,000 acres and killed two firefighters:

. Are warring neighbors to blame for preventing a government-financed brush-clearing effort that months ago was supposed to remove acres of tinder-dry fuel from some areas that burned?

. Did U.S. Forest Service bureaucrats from the Obama administration, during the crucial early hours, cut the use of reinforcement firefighters from nearby cities and CalFire in order to save money?

. Why did fire officials at a media center at Hansen Dam continue to report to journalists that La Crescenta was the battleground, several hours after the fire had leapt into an entirely different watershed and burned poorly defended Big Tujunga Canyon to the ground?

. Was a ground crew–versus–air crew pissing match partly to blame for the failure of officials to put down the fire early with sufficient tanker and helicopter drops?

Residents from Altadena, to the east, to the highly activist community of Sunland, to the west, are sharing one particularly ugly, and unproven, rumor that a radio transmission was overheard in which a fire official stated, “Just pull back and let it burn.”

But there are no hard answers yet, and Tony Bell, spokesman for Antonovich, who represents the areas that burned, says that even forming the right questions is difficult. “There’s paranoia, but a lot of legitimate beefs,” Bell says. “Folks in Quartz Hill and Juniper Hills did not get the reverse-911 call from the sheriff to evacuate. Why not? Were the fire break crews sufficient? We don’t think so. Where was the aircraft? And communications? We had no idea where the fire was going, jumping from San Gabriel Valley to Big Tujunga to Antelope Valley and Santa Clarita Valley.”

In fact, there’s been so much bad press that normally readily available fire officials are hard to reach. At meetings intended to debrief the public, any mistaken statement by a county or federal fire official is now seen as possible subterfuge instead of an honest error.

“Some of the key people involved are refusing to talk because they’d lose their jobs” for making critical comments, particularly about the extreme shortage of Super Scooper water tankers, says Tony Morris, an advocate for dramatically increasing the air fleet in California to match firefighting capabilities in Italy and France.

Says Morris: “During the worst of the Station fire, an [aircraft firm] I know was called to come in to drop on the fire. Then the work shift changed and the new fire official in charge that hour said, “No, I want you at 4 p.m. instead. ...’ But by 4 p.m., it was too smoky — and too late.”

Antonovich’s office is asking the local California congressional delegation to look into the actions taken and roles played by the Los Angeles County Fire Department and Forest Service in the initial stages, when experts say the Station fire could have been easily extinguished by tankers and helicopters dropping water and retardant. Antonovich also wants legislation that would designate the Los Angeles County Fire Department, not the Forest Service, the lead agency in local forest fires that threaten dwellings and heavily settled hillside towns.

For now, says activist Benson, “I could make a lot of nasty and smart-ass remarks about what happened here, but it would only be conjecture on my part. We simply cannot explain very simple questions, like, Why wasn’t there air support? It would behoove the Forest Service to come clean if they did in fact decide not to ask for backup.”

 
  • Terren 01/29/2010 11:05:00 PM

    Well, there actually are watch towers in the angeles national forest and they are manned by volunteers. Unfortunately, Vetter Mountain Lookout Tower burned in the Station Fire. Plus it wouldnt matter if there were a thousand look out towers in that forest if the Forest Service can fight fires. The lookouts can only spot them and report them, they have nothing to do with the equipment or manpower and where and when it is used. This fire started near the edge of the forest and the closest structure was a fire station so go figure. I have seen the degradation of this forest happen and it breaks my heart. I try not to blame Jody Noiron but....

  • bob koonkiller 11/23/2009 3:18:00 PM

    Maybe they where looking for something.4653

  • Kendrick Hong 10/13/2009 6:49:00 PM

    You would think all the money tax payers doll out to the government they would at least put watch towers up in those mountains. I mean isn't that the least they can do to pervent these wild fires. I mean if the mountains are hard to reach in the first place. Then having a set group of people already up there to take out the fire while its still small will be really helpful. Whether or not the Feds are responsible for the fires i don't know. Quite frankly i won't be surprise if the are responsible. When it comes to local government crap theres some shady things going around.

  • ex-FS firefighter 10/13/2009 3:12:00 PM

    The budget cuts were already hitting when I was stationed in the Los Padres during Reagan's era. I think CA and our extensive USFS/BLM holdings have been underfunded for a long time, but they make it up in supplementary budget appropriations so they don't have to budget it all in on both a state and federal level. But there aren't enough crews and aircraft. Mistakes get made on fires just like they do in war. The two have many similarities -- the captains gather their info, their meteorology, their air support and their ground troops and they deploy their resources as best they can. Sometime the info is wrong, or the deployments decisions are, or the winds raise hell or the planes get grounded. And it is happening very quickly. But a conspiracy to save $$? Hmmm, generally it's considered cheaper to throw everything at the fire as soon as possible to prevent a wide diameter fire with many flanks, which you can't do if it's too hot for containment and you don't have your backfire lines set, like during the first few days of the Station fire. And an order to let it burn could easily be for safety reasons, so you'd need a lot more than that to convince me the order was to casually abandon any neighborhood. I'm not saying there is nothing to this story, it just doesn't seem as big as that incendiary headline makes out. Or Ms. Stewart needs to come up with some more facts or witness statements to back up such a challenging assertion.

  • Fredric 10/11/2009 8:52:00 PM

    What nonsense. Of course there's going to be a dozen idiots who cry conspiracy and incompetence, there always is. There is always a percentage of any populace that is unsatisfied with everything, Republican idiots who think the world would be perfect if only everybody did things the way they think things should be done -- regardless of the fact that these armchair loons have no experience, no training, no qualifications to backtalk the heroic efforts of others. Disasters are supposed to be annoying. That's why they're called disasters.

  • Cockroachcrusher 10/10/2009 6:08:00 AM

    Wow! I cannot believe Jill Stewart, the right wing person with one foot in the loony bin is still being practicing her brand of "journalism." Hate, hate, hate. I was glad when the Sacramento News & Review got rid of her. One of her more infamous columns for the Sac News & Rev was when she said the mascot term "Redskin" is something Native Americans are proud of. This coming from a right wing European-American. "Redskin" is a blatantly racist term. I cannot believe the LAWeekly even considered you for any job, let alone Editor. Sorry choice.

  • Anthony 10/09/2009 10:37:00 PM

    Pretty bold headline. No, the feds did not cause the fire. Fire, from an arsonist, downed power line, cigarette or a backfire from an automobile likely caused the fire. And why are the homeowners crying foul? There are certain inherent dangers with living in a dry, tree and chapparal lined tinderbox with weaving, switchback filled, one way, narrow roads. 2 firefighter lost their lives attempting to save these idiots who consciously put their lives in danger by needing to live in nature. I won't sue the state or ask for an investigation when my house gets crushed in the big one. It's part of life. The country is built on idiots who like to blame others for their poor choices. Why else would you build a house in a flood plane or 9' below sea level in hurricane country. Pure stupidity. These people are why I have to read 4 warnings on my coffee cautioning me about the hot contents inside. What's next, Smokey Bear doing a public service announcement as to the dangers of building a house in the woods? How about just making it illegal to live in a fire, flood, tornado or earthquake prone region? Ridiculous... Be happy you got out with your lives, 2 fireman died because of your stupidity.

  • Beth 10/09/2009 8:39:00 PM

    I was at a press conference with the Governor the day after our house burned in Big Tujunga Canyon and the officials said "3-5 recreational houses" had burned. We knew our whole neighborhood (houses, not cabins) had burned to the ground the day before. How could they not know that? It seemed our neighborhood was forgotten before and after the fire.

  • Paul Ayers 10/08/2009 5:24:00 PM

    As the fires raged I decided to read Joseph Wambaugh�s 2002 Fire Lover which is the true story of John Orr, the Glendale fire captain/serial arsonist and murderer. One of the striking aspects of the story is the disconnect, distrust and antagonism existing between different police and fire agencies; they struggle for turf while the world burns down. It will be no surprise if these same problems are found as to the Station Fire.

  • Joan Lomery 10/08/2009 4:30:00 PM

    My son and his girlfriend had the sense enough to evacuate in the early hours of the 30th. He lost everything and has just begun to rebuild a life. So many of his friends on Stonyvale Road lost everything. These people deserve answers, and the federal government should be providing help, not just loans, to them. The questions being asked are legitimate and deserve responses. It seems that there has been a great deal of avoidance and delays. Obviously, there was inadequate support. Obviously, someone made poor choices. Obviously, we should not want that "someone" to continue to make decisions in the future if more life and land is in danger.

  • jane 10/08/2009 12:10:00 PM

    I think I know most of the answers, but I know I know one of them. Fire officials didn't tell the media about Big Tujunga's destruction because they did not know about it. Mike Dietrich, Incident Commander of the Station Fire didn't know where Big Tujunga is or when the fire ripped through it when he lectured about his experience with the fire at a Sunland/Tujunga Neighborhood Council meeting on September 28th. I guess if he didn't know, he couldn't tell about it to the press.

 

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