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Homeless Versus Venice

Winnebago world clashes with City Hall politics and progressive dreams

The ratty campers are so far removed from the glory of Chevy Chase’s giant station wagon in the film National Lampoon’s Vacation as to seem a different species. They signify not the American Dream but the end of the line. Tattered, sad affairs, they line the streets in one of Los Angeles’ trendiest communities — Venice.

Residents sick of it all say the unsightliness is only part of their problem. They say that people who live in the vehicles dump urine and worse, and though some of the R.V.s are homes for the unfortunate and the mentally ill, others are being used primarily for drug dealing and prostitution.

June 11, at a California Coastal Commission meeting in Marina del Rey, City Councilman Bill Rosendahl and some residents hope to get the powerful commission’s nod to begin the process of creating districts in which only residents with special permits can leave their cars on the streets between 2 and 6 a.m.

The so-called “preferential-parking districts” would cost affected Venice residents at least $15 per car each year, as well as charges for residents’ car-driving visitors. The districts would range from just west of Lincoln Boulevard to the beach, and from Washington Boulevard at the north boundary of Marina del Rey, to Rose Avenue at the Santa Monica city limit. “I don’t love the idea of paying for parking,” says Colette Bailey, “[but] I’m tired of every other liberal in the Westside dumping all their problems on us. ... Put them in Brentwood for all I care.”

Local media have framed the move to get rid of the camper dwellers as the death of liberal Venice. In fact, the story is one of a much more fractured, thoughtful — and troubled — community.

Few are more symbolic of the conflicts than Benjamin Schonbrun, founding partner of Schonbrun DeSimone Seplow Harris & Hoffman LLP, a respected civil rights firm. A particularly virulent group of alcoholic and drug-abusing homeless hang out adjacent to Schonbrun’s office on Venice’s Boardwalk. While one of his partners is against the Overnight Parking Districts (OPDs), Schonbrun has a different perspective.

“If the homeless merely cleaned up after themselves and did not urinate, defecate and leave their booze bottles, crack pipes and garbage at our front entrance and in our parking area each and every morning, perhaps I could empathize,” Schonbrun told L.A. Weekly in an e-mail. “The reality is that I clean up [their refuse] every single day.”

Local resident Bailey echoes this, saying, “I think there are people out there who genuinely need help — the mentally ill or people who are handicapped. I feel bad that they get lumped in with those people who think it’s just their right to live in a camper on the street, or drug dealers or drug users. No community should have to tolerate it.”

Rosendahl’s support of preferential parking as a tactic to force out the campers is a reversal for him. During his first campaign for office five years ago, he hoisted a poster of Bobby Kennedy over his desk and styled himself a fighter for the needy. But lately, some have seen him as an inveterate name-dropper who lacks the courage of his convictions.

“He loves to use inflammatory language to show that he’s the man of the people,” says Venice resident and television producer Chris Plourde, “then turns around and does exactly the opposite.” Plourde says Rosendahl is “just another politician.”

During his first term, Rosendahl stunned local residents when he circumvented public input and placed a controversial St. Joseph’s homeless center amidst Lincoln Boulevard businesses. Things got so heated that angry opponents warned residents to guard their daughters.

Chastened after getting slammed for his heavy-handed tactics on the homeless center, Rosendahl, when the campers became an issue, asked residents of Venice to help him. He suggested that residents aid City Hall in locating more appropriate “off-street” parking, where camper dwellers could congregate. His move badly backfired, prompting recall rumors. Rosendahl soon did a political pirouette, supporting preferential parking on a block-by-block basis — if 66 percent of those residents agree to what amounts to a neighborhood parking tax.

In his re-election campaign this year, Rosendahl equated the right to have special-permit parking with “civil rights.” He noted that because Venice residents live in the highly protected Coastal Zone of California, they must get approval for preferential parking zones not just from the Los Angeles City Council but from the California Coastal Commission — which has repeatedly denied preferential parking sought by other cities and communities in the Coastal Zone.

Preferential parking has “nothing to do with civil rights,” scoffs black third-generation Venice resident Laddie Williams, who recalls how the local Thrifty manager wouldn’t let her family eat at the counter when she was a child. Williams has enjoyed strong ties with Rosen-dahl but was “dumbfounded” at his attitude.

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  • Julie 08/13/2010 8:29:00 AM

    I read the story and the comments and I am simply in shock. I cannot believe all the support for the homeless RV dwellers. In this world, there is no free ride. Liberal California is the perfect example of the death of personal responsibility. I visited Venice several times when I was in college, 20 years ago. It was a toilet then and sounds like a toilet now. Perhaps if you cleaned up your area, you would have more affluent visitors. Until then, I will enjoy the beach in Del Mar where the homeless do not live.

  • candorguy 06/20/2009 5:56:00 AM

    I've worked in Venice, and I have to say that the RVs parked around the area is an open eye sore! I had one character asked me if he could fill up his container with water. This became a daily ritual! Then, the perpetrator figured out my routine schedule. As a result, this person had the audacity to come in on the property and surreptitiously rigged up a hose to his RV and filling it up with my tenant's water! As a result, I ended up building a fence around the property with a locked gate! If you're ever around Rose Ave & Rennie, you'll see the "Venice Style Fencing" I've created. Panacea in action!

  • Walter Moore 06/10/2009 7:00:00 PM

    This is a great article. Venice can and should be the most valuable real estate in L.A. You cannot beat the location. Instead, it's an outdoor toilet. I know, because I used to live there, and after a nice walk on the beach each morning I'd come home, step onto my balcony with a cup of coffee, and see men peeing in the alley. Swell. Perhaps, when Villaraigosa starts selling our streets to Chicago parking companies, he will let homeowners bid on the streets in front of their homes, so they don't have to wake up to the site of the Winnebago from hell each morning.

  • venice.mentor 06/09/2009 9:40:00 PM

    "The truth is, none of this drama and deal-making is necessary to banish the Winnebagos. An existing city code is tailor-made for preventing R.V. parking on Los Angeles streets. It allows Rosendahl and the City Council to bar the campers � without special permits or horse-trading with the Coastal Commission." I have been saying this for ages, ever since they started the OPD's here in Venice. In truth I think the fact they want charge home owners, ONCE AGAIN, is to increase revenue for the city of Los Angeles. I live in the "hood" and am madder than hell that I have to pay for another thing, especially when there are other options to take of this exact situation. Besides, if you read the small print on the proposed permit parking documents you will note that cost go up next year and will continue to do so until it will drive even those who voted for it, over the edge.

  • David Ewing 06/09/2009 1:48:00 AM

    There's always a difference between what a law intends and what the practical effects turn out to be. This is the law of unintended consequences, and it is the one law the City Council manages to pass again and again and again. Venizen's comment points out that it takes 2/3 of a block's residents to vote in OPD signs, but in practical terms, this will have a very strong domino effect. Anyone who doesn't want to go through the hassle of taking their proof of residence to the DOT office and buying a permit, or who puts it off, or who doesn't have their car registered at that address (students, etc.), will start parking on neighboring blocks, creating pressure for those blocks to go OPD. The OPD plan is chock full of unintended consequences. Loss of 55 overnight spaces is another, and the needless fracturing of Venice into several districts, each barring cross-boundary overnight parking is yet another. We do not want to become collateral damage to an ill-thought-out plan.

  • Lisa Green 06/08/2009 9:44:00 PM

    This article is not a balanced picture of the situation. Those that state that are inappropriate, and out of touch with life in Venice. The article started with malicious statements that do not represent the majority and does not accurately represent Venice. What's the article really about? Certain angry residents versus the homeless in Venice? How does a person living in a mobile "home" become defined as "homeless"? To imply that most Venice residents have to clean up feces and crack pipes from their property on a daily basis is a misrepresentation. I'm an artist on Venice Boardwalk. I'm there almost everyday from 9am to sunset. I'm usually right across from the attorney's building that is mention in the article. I do not see prostitution or people smoking crack pipes on Venice boardwalk anymore than I see purple flying elephants and alien spacecraft. How many of the residents interviewed have ever taken the time to get to know one of the people living in their rv's or on the street? The NIMYB (not in my backyard) as displayed by certain residents does not represent all Venice residents. I meet Venice residents weekly, and the majority do not feel that Venice is fairly represented in the article. Do some of the people complain about parking? Of course, but those intelligent souls acknowledge they live in a beach community that receives thousands of visitors each day and it's part of the gig. To attack a small portion of people, rv's and the homeless, would be ignorant and most Venice residents are free thnking, liberally minded, and fair minded folks. Venice has and should remain a community that exhibits a liberal, free thinking way of life. Why some people decided to move into that environment then change it as they age, or to change it-period, is absurd - look within. The real issues are ignorance, greed, and lack of compassion. How many times was the Councilman named in the article? A grassroots approach is the solution, not more political red tape. I see a future with a very large rv campground on Venice Beach. With solar power charging stations, with recycling, with a community garden, with composting, and everyone contributes and everyone matters. Next door is a permanent housing non proft development corporation with transitional housing, permament housing, and a hostel for low income vistors. All include social, mental and health services, plus job training, and job placement. You disagree or think I'm out of my mind - just wait and see! Lisa Green 2010 State Assembly Candidate Green Party of California Venice Artist and Resident

  • Venizen 06/08/2009 10:21:00 AM

    The article comments that there is already a reg on the books in LA that prohibits parking RVs/oversize vehicles on the street overnight. Here's how that magic wand really works: An overworked, underpaid traffic enforcement person writes a ticket for this. The bored, and likely hungover RVer gives the ticketer a raft of crap, at high voice, and perhaps makes a few threats. The ticket, ignored by the RVer, is then mailed to the registered address, usually a friend, or distant (in both senses) relative, where it is ignored. Since most RVs move every three days, the tow truck never arrives. (Nothing is allowed to stay still at the curb for 72 hours, but it has to be officially reported for the clock to start running.) And the tow truck couldn't do much anyway, until police actually searched the RV to be assured there is no one inside when it is towed. (Everyone gets sued if that happens.) Finally, when the RV's registration comes around again, it's an even bet whether the tickets get paid off or a local vehicle has its plates stolen for the tags, which are then affixed to the plates of the RV for another year's fun and games. A long way of saying "No one pays the slightest attention to that regulation." Unfortunately, the OPDs are the only solution anyone's been able to come up with, and it was the exasperated citizens, for lack of action from city (new ideas) or for police (enforcing laws) who have come up with this solution. Frankly, I think anyone with a non-oversize vehicle registered to a residence in the OPDs should be given a permit annually free, perhaps a limit of 2 per address, and 1 per apartment. And that includes Walk-street residences, too. Remember, the authorization of these districts only means that, if 2/3s of the households on a block WANT to do this, the city will do this. It DOES NOT mean that suddenly all of Venice has restricted parking, regardless of the scare tactics and misinformation opponents keep using.

  • Steve C. 06/08/2009 5:56:00 AM

    "the glory of Chevy Chase�s giant station wagon in the film National Lampoon�s Vacation" Perhaps if you are going to use a pop-culture reference as an attempt at invoking post-New Journalism, might be wise to fact check said reference. First it was a "Winnebago" but apparently after going to print someone pointed out that error. Now it's been changed, but still factually challenged as the station wagon depicted in the film was far from desirable. Nitpicking this might seem trivial, but whenever a journalist stumbles out of the gate on even minor things that I know to be wrong, it questions everything else that is out of my area of expertise contained thereafter.

  • Nick Antonicello 06/07/2009 7:34:00 AM

    The issue for Venice is not parking. The issue for Venice is the failure to develop a comprehesive redevelopment plan for Venice Beach. Because the boardwalk has so deteriorated in the last decade, it's become by abdication a second coming of a perverted Woodstock for the homeless, drug addicted and mentally disturbed. While those who pay no taxes and contribute nothing, those of us who just want to step out our doors not stepping into a puddle of human urine while retrieving the morning paper! The political gods did nothing but rake in more tax revenue from the housing boom in Venice Beach while turning a blind eye to the seige taking place at the boardwalk where hundreds, if not thousands roam the beach to do drugs, defecate and make the oceanfront an eye sore versus a top flight destination for Californians of all ages. Instead of fighting about what frauds can sell "phony art" on what portion of the boardwalk, where was the leadership in good economic times to turn Venice in to a jobs creating economic engine like Times Square of New York City? You have three and four people living in illegal vehicles that in many cases lack the proper insurance to even be on the road much less become temporary housing for those smart enough to realize Venice is simply tolerant of bad behavior and your politics has nothing to do with a situation totally run amok!

  • Lynne Bailey 06/06/2009 2:00:00 AM

    Many of the popular neighborhoods here in Chicago have permit parking. (Imagine Wrigley Field)As a visitor to those areas, I look for meters in front of businesses. Also, there are private parking lots. When visiting a friend, I am given a pass to put on my dashboard.Each year they buy a packet of discounted passes for their friends to use. It might be a good idea to enforce peermit parking after 6 p.m. like some areas do.. This is done in Chicago so people can park in front of their buildings when they come home from work.

  • Gwennie 06/06/2009 1:08:00 AM

    Lets be very clear here--most of the RVS are NOT populated by the little old lady mentioned in the article. Rather, most are people living in these vehicles by CHOICE, or as one writer to local media put it, they have chosen the RV lifestyle. Why don't you publish the address of LA Weekly and suggest that the "displaced unfortunates" move to Sepulveda? And, when your depleted staff cannot find parking and when they watch criminals exact rent for street parking, you might have another point of view.

  • bearcross 06/05/2009 7:13:00 AM

    Did I read correctly that Rosendahl is wanting to run for US Senator or did my bifocals just turn into hallucinogenic devices?

  • marcie 06/05/2009 7:10:00 AM

    What, Bill Rosendahl "an inveterate namedropper" who has no more time for the poor and downtrodden? Could it have to do with him telling this paper that if he were pressed into becoming a major mover and shaker on the local scene he might be persuaded to run for US Senator to replace Diane Feinstein? What's he been smoking? He has always insisted right upto the most recent months that he has no plans for higher offices and this is it, he's just "a guy in his sixties trying to make the world a better place." Well Bill, why don't you stick to doing that for the people who are stuck in the trailers because they have nowhere else to go, and nowhere to go to the toilet so they "do it in the road." What happened to all your hippie ideals you keep talking about? Finding ways to raise our fees like jacking up parking fees your "gold in the gutter" to upto $4.00/ hour downtown and some spots and bad enough in Venice is NOT a track record to run on. Hosting gay weddings and sponsoring city resolutions on gays in Iraq and other feel-good stuff catering to one demographic (must irk you that Newsome's been courting the gays as you watch) doesn't take the place of real action. Same with pushing for a living wage for LAX-area workers to try to get the vote of the powerful SEIU union. Changing your mind on paying for cops, telling homeowners who were promised their trash fee hikes would go for more cops that you now want to keep the money in the general fund to offset other services, after holding a town hall meeting to blast the chief for not giving your district all the cops people want is just playing to the crowd but makes for incoherent public policy. Just because you are battling the mayor and chief on this doesn't make you right or courageous -- it just means you think 2 + 2 = 3. Don't be just another one of those who makes a bigger mess of things locally and thinks he can run away to a bigger stage to hide: you've got nothing but flip-flopping and meddling to run on so far in your brief, late-life career. Get real and deal with the mess on the streets of Venice.

  • stewart 06/05/2009 5:01:00 AM

    I understand both sides of the problem. On the one hand folks pay mortgages and rent to live where they do, on the other, people who for what ever reason are living in their coaches, who pay registration and gas taxes like every one else? Now? Do you think that the city and county would ever dream of opening up the beach parking lots to these unfortunates? or any other place for that matter? Oh yes Dockweiler Beach has an RV park...ever tried to get in their? The fees can get a bit pricey. The management is a bit over bearing and suspicious. And if this passes? Wait till the ticket nazis land on the unsuspecting neighborhood instead? Venice might as well called in an air strike on itself! Can you imagine how they will run rough shod over the area now?

  • MadDogM13 06/05/2009 4:19:00 AM

    I don't live in the area so maybe am not qualified to comment--but as far as "dumping urine and worse," I assume that homeless folks have plenty of access to public restroom facilities or that local merchants don't enforce a "customers-only" policy toward use of their restrooms. 'Cause it would be kind of dumb (not to mention cruel) to blame people who are stuck living in campers for doing their business in public if they don't have anywhere else to do it.

  • John Raphling 06/05/2009 2:32:00 AM

    I am disappointed that this article quotes no one who lives in a camper or other vehicle in Venice. They are integral participants in this debate, who the politicians usually choose to ignore. I did attend a meeting in which Councilman Rosendahl agreed to listen to a group of seven or eight people who live in their vehicles. Most were long time residents of Venice. Each one had a story of survival. There were military veterans with nowhere else to go. There were people suffering mental and physical disabilities with nowhere else to go. There were victims of domestic violence with nowhere else to go. Councilman Rosendahl made a big show of expressing sympathy for each of them. He even seemed to understand that the OPD regulations will force these people out of Venice. At some level, he might have even understood that forcing homeless people out of Venice is mean and morally wrong. But he made it clear-- his priority is political expedience. Dumping of urine and feces and other garbage, is illegal under existing laws that can be enforced, without burdening all of us with OPD's. Ben Schonbrun's problem with people making a mess at his office has nothing to do with people living in vehicles. Making Venice into some kind of exclusive community, while economically beneficial for a few property owners, is not in the public interest.

  • Anita 06/04/2009 6:59:00 PM

    This is a good preamble to open discussion of the parking problem in Venice and, in deed, all of Los Angeles. That the less fortunate get clumped in with flagrant law breakers is a fact that needs to be addressed. That hard working homeowners and apartment dwellers are threatened and their quality of life must be hampered by fear, unsanitary conditions, and inability to park on the very street they live needs to be addressed. It is unthinkable that the majority of people in Venice actually have animosity toward the homeless, the disabled, or the poor. Cleaning human feces off their front doorstep every morning, brings a real life understanding of what happens when our civic leaders and lawmakers fail to recognize the difference between appearing to help the less fortunate, and merely trying to ignore the problem -- leaving citizens to fend for themselves, and enabling law breakers by hiding behind the auspices of "advocating for the less fortunate." It is clear that the poor need help, the taxpayers/renters need clean streets and access to parking, and the criminal element needs to be sorted out and removed from the whole equation. The article is well balanced. Only the fringe who follow the same old dogmatic mantras, on either side of this problem, will find fault. Our city council is paid more than any other. It's time we demand that the people we pay do their job.

 

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