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Prolonged Battle over Proposition 8

It looks like the gay marriage ban won, but activists could upend the victory

By 12:37 a.m., on Wednesday, November 5, the “Yes on 8” campaign, which via Proposition 8 seeks to eliminate the right of gays and lesbians to marry legally in California, proclaimed victory with a twisted kind of logic. “While it will take a few weeks to finish counting all the votes,” Ron Prentice, chairman of the “Yes on 8” campaign, wrote in an e-mail to supporters, “Proposition 8 takes effect at midnight tonight.”

Prentice, it turns out, was getting ahead of himself.

A few minutes earlier, Lorri Jean, chief executive officer of the Los Angeles Gay & Lesbian Center, was cautiously optimistic for the “No on 8” effort. “I think we can win this thing,” Jean told a hopeful yet somewhat somber crowd at the Music Box Theater on Hollywood Boulevard. “I want to win this thing. But win or lose, this [gay] community is not going away.”

And by 5 a.m. on November 5, Nicole Winger, a spokeswoman for California Secretary of State Debra Bowen, had not declared a winner. “There are still many ballots to be counted,” she told L.A. Weekly.

But less than 10 hours later, Los Angeles County officials suspended the issuance of same-sex marriage paperwork and ceremonies, citing Prop. 8’s victory. It had boded poorly for gay-marriage advocates when the San Francisco Chronicle called the proposition approved about noon. Legal challenges were announced almost immediately by the American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal, the National Center for Lesbian Rights and attorney Gloria Allred and her clients, activists Robin Tyler and Diane Olson. San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera has already announced he will sue to stop it. In other words, the wild, hard-fought campaign to ban or maintain same-sex marriage in California is far from over.

As of noon on Wednesday, November 5, with 96.6 percent of statewide precincts reporting, the “Yes on 8” campaign had collected 5,235,486 votes, or 52.2 percent of the vote, according to the California secretary of state. The “No on 8” campaign had 4,800,656 votes, or 49.8 percent. The difference is 434,830 votes.

On Election Night, at the Music Box, gay-community leaders were optimistic about the future, whether or not Proposition 8 was defeated. “This is a battle we’ve waged for decades,” said Father Geoff Farrow, a Catholic priest from Fresno, who, a few weeks ago, publicly came out of the closet to his parishioners, spoke against the ballot measure, and was subsequently relieved of his duties. “This is not a sprint. You have to have faith in humanity and that we’ll ultimately get through to them and overcome.”

The priest was obviously taking the high road, but it was still a difficult night for the gay community to not take the defeat personally. Nationwide, same-sex marriage bans were approved in Arizona and Florida, and in Arkansas, voters supported a ballot measure that prevents unmarried couples from serving as adoptive or foster parents — an initiative that is a thinly disguised strike against gays and lesbians.

Even in the face of those defeats, Farrow is undeterred. “We’re getting there,” he said. “You have to look at where we were 20 years ago. I think we’re going in the right direction, and you have to keep fighting for what is right.”

A clearly angry Los Angeles City Councilman Bill Rosendahl said, “We’re not going to let a perversion of Christianity stop us.” He is referring to the major fund-raising roles played by the Mormon and Catholic churches, which donated tens of millions of dollars to the “Yes on 8” campaign. “In the long run,” Rosendahl added, “love wins all.”

He said the “Yes on 8” team, led by political consultant Frank Schubert, ran an “effective, negative campaign,” with some of the “most scurrilous ads ever.” He also thought voters were “confused,” thinking a “yes” vote on Proposition 8 was actually a vote in favor of same-sex marriage rather than a reversal of the California State Supreme Court ruling that legalized gay marriage on May 15, 2008. “People didn’t understand,” the openly gay city councilman said.

West Hollywood City Councilman John Duran, an openly gay man, thought the close vote actually showed progress for the gay-rights movement in California. “The starting point for analysis is Proposition 22,” Duran said, referring to the 2000 same-sex marriage ban that voters approved by 61 percent. “A lot of significant political movement has happened in a short period of time.”

Three major turning points affected the “No on 8” campaign, Duran also explained. First, in early October, the “No on 8” team realized they were behind the “Yes on 8” campaign in fund-raising by $10 million, and then quickly made up that difference in a matter of weeks. Duran said that correction enabled gay-marriage supporters to fund a more effective TV and radio ad campaign.

The second turning point wasn’t so positive. Around the same time the “No on 8” campaign was scrambling for cash, the “Yes on 8” team aired a TV ad that prominently featured San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, who publicly said, soon after the California State Supreme Court ruling, that gay marriage was coming “whether you like it or not.”

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  • Bill 11/11/2008 12:44:00 AM

    It's been discovered that months before the campaign began, San Francisco Catholic Archbishop George Niederauer reached out to the Mormons for help on the Yes on 8 campaign. Niederauer had tried to improve Catholic-Mormon relations while he was Bishop of Salt Lake City for 11 years. The June letter from Niederauer drew in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and it was hoped that this cabal of two faiths working for Yes on 8, would improve both of their reputations (the Catholic church has been reeling from all the child-sexual abuse scandals, and Mormons are seen as a non-Christian, cult religion). Neither church gives a damn about support from or the welfare of gay men and lesbians.

  • Steve 11/09/2008 8:58:00 AM

    Anyone care to guess what the large African American vote turn out did? Selling something as a "Civil Rights" issue to people who know what civic rights are every time they look in the mirror....could that have been a mistake? Nothing like having pasty white gays telling black people all about civil rights to win their vote. Throw in the influence of the church in the Black community, along with how "low down dirty" men are looked on. Throw in the influence of machismo in the Hispanic community. Them riots going on, really going to change some minds some day in the future, right?

  • Jim 11/09/2008 5:05:00 AM

    There's enough blame to go around. But there were two groups who made the most difference in swinging the vote to the Yes side. The first was a combination of religious literalists (which regrettably included some 70% of Blacks voting for Obama), and outright bigots, encouraged by child molester priest supporter Archbishop Mahony, and propaganda by the Evangelicals and even Orthodox churches, who successfully convinced their parishioners that their churches would be forced to accept gays and perform marriages. The second group consisted chiefly of the lawyer thugs of Pepperdine University who masterminded the early stages of the campaign. The Pepperdine homophobes successfully painted a non-existent threat to children in such vivid & horrific imagery, that many parents voted Yes simply to "play it safe". It was a completely successful campaign based on misdirection, half-truths and downright lies. The Mormons, who provided most of the blood money that made the campaign possible, have earned the everlasting enmity of the Gay community, but I doubt that they care- at least not yet.

  • jon 11/09/2008 2:47:00 AM

    It must have shocked the Gay community when this passed the same way I was shocked when a Gay political action committee got a law passed that required school officials to take action if a gay student was harrassed or bullied. They could have just as easily said if any kid was bullied, but chose just to look out for their own. Something to keep in mind if you want support for a cause.

  • John 11/08/2008 2:26:00 AM

    For facts on the subject: Click on: http://www.limandrilaw.com/CM/Custom/Resources.asp Scroll down to "Defending Traditional Marriage" Resources

  • Polaroidgirl 11/07/2008 2:07:00 AM

    Fourth turning point: Yes on 8 quotes Obama saying he believe marriage is between and man and a woman in print and internet ads. Despite Obama coming out against Prop 8 in TV ads featuring himself, the Governator and Dianne Feinstein the Yes on 8 camp not only continued to run this misleading ads but also had robocalls playing Obama's soundbite. This is what made the difference.

  • John Latelier 11/06/2008 1:15:00 PM

    I find it ironic that the gay rights movement, which has refused to recognize boy-lovers as constituting part of the gay movement, has lost the struggle against Proposition 8 to the bigots who used the specter of "child abuse" to "justify" their support of Proposition 8. There is a poem by Pastor Martin Niem�r (1892-1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group, that I believe is highly relevant here: "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn�t speak up because I wasn�t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn�t speak up because I wasn�t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn�t speak up because I wasn�t a Jew; And then ... they came for me ... And by that time there was no one left to speak up." Don't condemn those ethnic groups which, while oppressed themselves, voted both for Obama and for Proposition 8, without first contemplating that the gay rights movement has been just as guilty in its bigoted attitude towards boy-lovers, and its eagerness to divide the gay rights movement along generational lines. United we stand, divided we fall

 

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