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05/25/2012 4:34:00 AM
>I ask Stuart how he feels personally about Prentiss. “He’s a strange, strange man,” he
>replies, “and he’s got a wonderful Ponzi scheme going. And he’s got nothing to stop him.
> He’s smart enough to see that there’s nothing that could bring him down, and he’s going to
> continue doing it.”
Seems to me like Prentiss is powerless over his own greed/pride. Is there a Greed Anon group? Oh yeah - confess Christ and repent. Something tells me hell will freeze over before we see that happen... either that, or Prentiss will be brought to his knees soon, by no other than God.
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Tabby.J 05/23/2012 12:16:00 AM
Passages Malibu and Passages Ventura are some of the best treatment centers in the world. Passages Ventura offers a more affordable treatment program than Malibu due to its location and facilities. It is a shame that this article does not talk about the many many people who have been healed by these programs over the years, and how places such as Passages offers an alternative treatment model to what has been in place for the past decades. AA works for some but not all people, and it is a wonderful thing that people have the opportunity to have choices in their treatment.
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substancedependent92 05/22/2012 6:43:00 AM
because in 12 step groups, addiction is treated as a biological illness that exists independent of the issues that one faces or the pain one struggles with. What Prentiss suggests in his book is that substance use is a maladaptive form of coping, whereas 12 step groups separate the issue of addiction from the issues one has.
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Dabuster55 05/17/2012 10:02:00 PM
I agree with Daccht that this article is totally biased. It sounds as if the article was totally written even before the writer even visited the facility. It would have been nice to have read an objective article written about Passages Malibu and to be able to learn more about the different approach that they have to treating addiction.
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Wsross390 05/10/2012 7:52:00 PM
If you actually believe those guys, then you get what you deserve. "stupid is as stupid does"
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DACCHT 05/06/2012 8:09:00 PM
This story has far too strong an obvious agenda for me to accept. The reporter is clearly biased at the get-go and offers nothing to balance out this report. Sad, as this represents the state of reporting these days. Most reporters are far more interested in the "gotcha" story than in investigating the truth.
It may well be that Passages is not the "cure" it claims to be, but neither has traditional medicine nor AA proven to be more effective. I think approaches such as those with Passages deserve a more open and balanced perspective.
Sorry, Mark, but your article falls short of any viable standard of reporting.
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05/01/2012 5:25:00 PM
Passages Malibu and Passages Ventura have been the forerunners for the 21st century approach to treating addiction. Whenever something new comes along there is always fear towards change. Passages is leading the addiction field towards a change in the recovery world that is a more updated, more complete and holistic way towards treating addiction.
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d........ 05/01/2012 7:12:00 AM
In AA I have learned that drugs and alcohol are not my problems but the answers to my problems, therefor I must learn a new way of dealing with my problems. How is that any different then what you just said?
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04/29/2012 3:53:00 PM
I'm trying to get a Holistic Approach treatment Center here in Indianapolis. I don't agree with 12-steps. It's an old out dated idea. Check us out at holisticapproachindy.com
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04/29/2012 3:53:00 PM
Read the book before you judge. Holistic Approach means "cure" the under lying reason of why you use drugs and alcohol. Drugs and Alcohol are a coping device.
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04/29/2012 3:45:00 PM
Holistic Approach
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Reverockwsfc5 04/23/2012 8:20:00 PM
GOOD POINT I'VE BEEN CLEAN & SOBER NOW FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS THROUGH AA, NA IF I WERE CURED OF ADDICTION THEN I WOULD BE ABLE TO DRINK & GET HIGH WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE...
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Cdog46 04/16/2012 8:48:00 PM
Why hasn't this charlatan been put out of business? He's a flim flam scam man.
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Karijkybele 04/14/2012 3:27:00 PM
Everybody preys on the sick and the diseased! Doctors, psychiatrists, insurance co's, jails, etc. as well as rehab places. If a few get "cured" or lead a better life, more power to them! Just like diabetics, alkies and druggies just have to learn to live with it...or die with it.
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BVKingx 04/13/2012 4:58:00 AM
Very well said Kevin. Most people answer with pure emotion or impose their almost irrational opinions on others but they fail to use the logic you did. What you posted cut through the middle of all the contraversy. Nicely done. Congrats on your 21 years of sobriety!!
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Surrealbox 04/09/2012 7:28:00 PM
I can't afford to go to passages . But I agree entirely with their concept that addiction is not. Disease. The philosophy behind his this book has helped save my life .
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Crazzkc24 03/15/2012 5:19:00 PM
If you promise a "cure", wouldn't your success rate be 100% not 84%? I won't knock you're program if you don't knock mine. The first step is NOT, we ARE powerless, it's we WERE powerless and if you're son was powerless but he's not anymore, then the WERE applies, same as in 12-step recovery. You boast about getting to the root of the problem that lead to the choice to drink and/or drug, the 12-steps do the EXACT same thing. It doesn't promise a "cure" because there is no such thing. You contradicted yourself stating that you can cure addiction but, as Dr. Drew pointed out, what do you cure, a disease and how can you promise a cure to something which you do not state exists. Also, you put down the Betty Ford Center for making people do chores and asked would you have a patient who has diabetes sweep the floor? Diabetes is a disease, how can you compare the two if you don't believe one is a disease? Please don't judge something you have no knowledge of. You indicated your son (not yourself) went to countless therapists but never indicated he went to a 12-step program. If you're son has not drank or done any drug (even prescription) for 10+ years, then kudos to him and he found a program that works for him. Please don't judge my program that has kept me clean for 2-1/2 years..... and costs nothing.....
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Jedkelstron 03/10/2012 4:43:00 AM
Great treatment going on at Passages. It doesn't matter what you think about the hype. The people, the therapists, at Passages are in it to help, and they are doing a phenomenal job.
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Anonymous 03/01/2012 6:44:00 AM
After reading this I did a little digging. The first reason was because this,article was not objective at all. It sounds like a pissed off rant, not like investigative Journalism. My first stop, the better business bureau, where on the official BBB website their rating is an A+. Also, Passages accepts insurance, typically insurance doesn't pay for scams. Also, from what I found out, either the author exaggerated the price, or they have lowered prices drastically.
*I have no affiliation with passages whatsoever, I've never even been there. All information I wrote was to the best of my knowledge, and my opinions. To confirm,I suggest contacting passages or visiting their website.
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Keyser Söze 02/29/2012 12:36:00 AM
All I know about this place is what I just read. Whether this is a Ponzi scheme or not, I don't know. When I was 17 I remember taking my friend Justin to N.A. meetings. What I remember most is before and after they would all come out and light up a cigarette. That makes no sense to me, how can you work on addiction while being addicted to something that's gonna kill you. I don't claim to have the answer to addiction, to be honest, I don't think anyone does. I do however know the episode of South Park "Bloody Mary" which is a swipe at N.A./A.A. was funny as hell, and maybe since I'm not an addict the only reason it made sense that A.A./N.A. was just a tradeoff, another habit to replace another one, maybe it made sense to me because I'm not one. However, if goin to a meeting several times a week for the rest of your life makes your life better go for it. The disease concept does bother me, when you tell someone they have no control over something, it's like your giving them permission to do it, It allows for no personal accountability, if you get drunk and drive you get arrested. If you have a heart-attack while driving and kill someone you go to the hospital. maybe I'm taking it out of context. Whenever there is an answer, which I don't think anyone has found a true answer yet, that the answer will initially be rejected by almost everyone until the success is evident to others. That day cannot come fast enough.
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Spearsjames33 02/28/2012 1:00:00 AM
Its a money machine and he is the mad scientist. Has he ever seen the pain and suffering and shame associated with addiction sure his place makes a great vacation....... but once you leavee and return to your enviroment then what.
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Spearsjames33 02/28/2012 12:52:00 AM
If you spend sixty five thousand dollars for treatment you will want to believe you are cured. His doors are not open to the poor yet he claims to have the cure why not cure the addiction that floods california and then the rest of america oh that's right no profit there.
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Mimilespushkins 02/17/2012 8:24:00 PM
Dear danny ,i have no idea if this place works for some or not. However they never claimed alcoholism/addiction is a disease. Aa does, thus recovery yet "no cure"as of yet under the umbrella of AA.pax prentiss(in the commercial for their rehab)simply stated "i used to be an addict now im cured".. He never said he had a disease. There are conditions in which one can be cured of that ar not considered actual diseases.
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Milespushkins 02/17/2012 8:07:00 PM
Robert, who says aa got over 2 million people off alcohol? AA? Do u know how very difficult this claim would be to prove or disprove objectively? And how many years did these over 2 million remain sober? Till death?
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Milespushkins 02/17/2012 7:58:00 PM
To Bill, could u please state your opinion or comment without using aa/na jargonism like "happy, joyous and free"? So many aa/na people sound like complete automatons who spit out aa/na phrases as though they cant think or even speak by their own accord. This is one of the very things that turned me off to this 12 step program.
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02/09/2012 7:19:00 AM
Sorry, but the truth is in the addiction medicine field the 12 step model has been found to be only helpful to a certain percentage of people. Maybe the old time AA 12 Step models were successful because they were pure and didn't reek of the Rehab shtick that is now so common.
These guys maybe working an angle but a lot of other rehabs do the same thing and take as much government money as they can all the while also soliciting "donations" from alumni and others. You also have a lot of "personalities before principles" in AA too. If you have money and are white, young and hip it's easier. Try being older, poor and minority and see how all that AA clap trap talk gets you. Need I mention Rodeo Drive Meetings?
Give me a break, the author is grinding his axe.
At least these guys are free market and not claiming that God speaks through them like some of the AA looney tunes.
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Donaghyrandy 01/27/2012 6:01:00 AM
Pax prentis is a delusional douche...there is no cure for addiction. Thinking they are cured and all right has killed many addicts.the only fatal disease that tells us we're fine.recovery is a lifelong journey.
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Astinson130 01/03/2012 8:18:00 AM
The owner and operator of Passages Malibu has one redeeming quality, their operation is not nationwide! I shudder to think how a person so devoid of any qualities that vaguely resemble a human being and do posses those that more aptly parallel that of a viscous predator, without trying to insult the predatory beast for doing what his instinct tells him to do, and not as the Owners do and prey on humanities weak, sick and diseased! The man is nothing more than a charlatan, a con artist of the highest degree, and a man, no strike that, he is definitely not a man even in the loosest form of the word. I can see him smugly saying to himself, if their stupid enough to believe me well they deserve to lose money, everybody does it. But that is where he is wrong, only the scum of the earth prey on the sick and diseased! Have they no SHAME!!!!
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annie 12/13/2011 7:31:00 AM
Huh? Wu ming means no-name (anonymous), and wu wei is non-action, a principle of Daoism.
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Kittenwstring 12/10/2011 8:02:00 PM
Addiction is not something that you "cure" its a lifelong disease you can be in recovery with lifelong recovery care but using the word "cured is very dangerous to an addict .
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11/12/2011 5:00:00 AM
The Jose Silva (or Werner Erhard?) of drug rehab.
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Alli7998 11/04/2011 1:11:00 PM
Excellent article. I've been sober for seven years with the help of the 12 steps, and yet I can admit that route doesn't work for everyone nor is the only route to sobriety. These guys are going to be responsible for someone's death someday if they already aren't. Is it really so bad to have a disease whose fix is to simply go to meetings and work on your underlying problems that led to the drinking? People like us are everywhere! Why is there still a stigma for jerks like this to prey on? How are they not shut down?
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Chris D'Asta 10/23/2011 10:33:00 PM
Your article is superb. Thanks for this highly informative piece of journalism,and thanks for the opportunity to have been shown the dark side of the Prentiss' philosophy. Knowledge without ethics is not wisdom.
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10/19/2011 12:11:00 PM
Thanks to Mark Groubert for this valuable comment. In last couple of year alcoholism reach in weird situation. My opinion is parents should be most careful about storing alcohol.I have teenagers of 12 or 15 having bottle in hand in weekend. Which making tough situation to the society. I watched the ad.
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Lisa 10/01/2011 8:44:00 PM
Yeah, these guys bug me too, just saw their commercial. How the son can denounce AAs message, when if you are a true alcoholic and finally read the literature and hear the message, the cure rings true - after years of searching for this truth elsewhere. He must have been really sick with ego to deny the spiritual approach offered to him and have to come up with his own program, be his own God with his own agenda and be in charge of every aspect of his recovery by running THE SHOW. Thank God for all these years when I've had to accept spiritual help from other people in AA and had the chance to see God working thru them to help me on my journey. And that my relationship with God was restored and my belief system totally examined and re-established thru the 12steps, I'd be dead w/o them - alcoholic/addict/4time suicide survivor that's clean and sober 5 years now. Yes, we are powerless over alcohol, but have tapped into a Power Greater than ourselves that can relieve us of our alcoholism! He either knows the AA message and is warping it for marketing purposes to prey on alcoholics with whom AA doesn't work (those who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves or others) and may or may not be being honest with himself about this, or never really stayed clean and sober long enough out of the fog to grasp it.
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Kyle C. 09/07/2011 10:00:00 PM
Exactly. A "cure" would come with the "willpower" or "control" over using that I once had when it was still fun and I could stop. This is a scam where these self-proclaimed Gods prey on the desperation of the ill and their family members
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08/31/2011 4:38:00 PM
It should be noted, however, that AA has about the same success rate as just going cold turkey with no assistance. The key is wanting to recover and being willing to work for it. No amount of pseudo-religious victimhood (AA) or pop Asian "wisdom" crap peddling (Prentiss) will mean a thing if you don't dedicate yourself to your task.
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08/31/2011 4:29:00 PM
Spoken like a true sock puppet.
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08/09/2011 11:51:00 PM
Whether it is AA or a posh treatment center, one must have a burning desire to live sober. It is the DESIRE to live sober that cures the addiction. And yes, I said," cures the addiction". It is not a disease, for a chromosome has never been found for it. Using the " disease" word, gives the addict a back door for relapse. It puts the addict in the same space as one with Muscular Dystrophy or asthma or leukemia, etc. There is also the misconception of " having battled" the addiction. There is no battle. One either wants to live sober or live hammered. There is no battle. A battle is one who has no legs, or is paralyzed from the waist, etc. These people have battles everyday, not an addict. An addict is choosing his/her actions. I chose to live sober for the rest of my life. AA prevents addicts from making that decision. AA says to take it a day at a time. IMHO, this is a backdoor for relapse. I went to a professional rehab that introduced me to the AA program, and I was immediately turned off by its members. I did not want to live sober in the manner and attitude that they have. If it is keeping one person sober, it is good. I do not want to bad mouth AA. It is not for me. I learned other methods on my own. DESIRE and CHOICE are the burning flames that cure addiction.
I am sober 21 yrs. And I celebrate. I do not battle and I do not feel sorry for myself.
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08/05/2011 4:50:00 PM
I guess that when Prentice responds to questions about his inflated success rate by stating "it worked for (his son)" he is a greedy fraud. But when pressed on AA's dismal success rate (5-12%) it's perfectly fine for AA folks to respond "it works if you work it" or "it worked for me (or "my Uncle Jack" or whatever). Whether you hide behind slogans to make money or to push your religion (and yes, AA is a religion) is there really much difference?
More useful would be a non-AA biased article on AA AND AA alternatives. What "works-" statistically, scientifically-is to decide to be sober and then choose a method or combination of methods that fits. Choose AA if it feels helpful or choose an alternative. If a $68k sobriety staycation is what works, then "work it".
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Joseph Stenek 08/02/2011 4:19:00 AM
I'm truly disappointed in all this negitive talk about passages. Then again, I should have know nothing of value comes so easily. Staying sober requires hard work. God help us!
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Brian 07/30/2011 4:49:00 PM
As a recovering alcoholic I was immediately disgusted by the sales pitch I saw on TV. I have been dealing with this (call it a disease or whatever you will - the semantics are pointless to me) for at least 30 of my 52 years and have had periods of sobriety broken up by periods of denial and burying my head in the sand. The messages they are sending and the cure they are selling are an addict's dream. I have heard this yearning countless times in rooms around the country and around the world. Perhaps this man did also and immediately saw big flashing dollar signs. What it often takes to get somebody to wake up to the damage they are doing to themselves and to the ones that love them is a slap in the face and a kick in the butt not a poolside back rub by a pretty young thing. Sounds more like a reward for bad behavior than any sort of effective treatment. I'm sure they'll be coming back again and again as long as they or somebody else can afford it. I doubt that I'm not the only one who is very disturbed by all manner of individuals and organizations profiteering in the addiction treatment industry - exploiting ignorance, selling false hope and pandering to the worst aspects of the addicts personality regarding treatment. They all seem to have one thing in common - a very expensive 'magic pill' and a gang of lawyers chasing them around. Everybody pays for it in one way or another. Everybody.
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Desertdude 07/30/2011 5:47:00 AM
I often wonder why those that are "cured" cannot now drink and use like "normal" people? I've been in AA/NA for 35 years and if I could drink and use normally, I would. This idiot says you are cured but you cannot drink or use anymore. Huh? WTF?
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Earthlyvision 07/26/2011 6:05:00 PM
Probably preaching to the choir but, AA and NA are free. I'm a recovering addict and this whole Passages bit is a scam to rip people (with the means or good insurance) off. Its a disease and the sooner you realize it the better off you will be. When this scam started, they even had 12 step meetings inside the facility. What a crock.
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07/17/2011 4:51:00 AM
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Fp103 07/15/2011 6:30:00 AM
Intuitively I googled this article on Passages-Malibu because I've seen an ad nauseam slew of ads on TV with Pax Prentiss the "co-founder" of Passages sounding more like a perpetual adolescent spouting a lot of nonsense. I certainly question his criticism of 12-step programs in order to raise his own self-esteem to keep the big bucks rolling in.
"There's a Sucker Born Every Minute"--a quote attributed to P.T. Barnum though David Hannum whose name is lost to history made the remark while Barnum was left with the misplaced stigma of saying it. See http://www.historybuff.com/library/refbarnum.html
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Spot the Con 07/15/2011 4:35:00 AM
Like the late Sam Kinison said, "If you got the cash for a luxury treatment center, you haven't hit bottom yet."
Hopefully, there's a special place in hell for these scumbags that prey on the desperate.
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07/09/2011 6:43:00 AM
This treatment is desirable
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07/09/2011 4:01:00 AM
I t seems like not so good
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07/05/2011 2:53:00 PM
This treatment can only take temporary solution not effect a permanent cure
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07/05/2011 5:30:00 AM
And make sure you're committed to being treated.
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07/05/2011 2:14:00 AM
All I can say is there is no cure,
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Spharoe 07/04/2011 12:04:00 PM
Well said!
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07/02/2011 1:30:00 AM
You can't even spell or use caps correctly, and we're supposed to believe that you were helped start a multi million dollar business? Sure pal, keep pedaling that line of crap. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable and don't insult me. Idiot.
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07/01/2011 11:24:00 AM
I find their ads objectionable where the son says "This is not a 12-step program. This works," implying that AA and similar programs do not work. I know several people who lived sober lives thanks to AA. I have never been to an AA meeting but I know many people who find them supportive and uplifting.
I am not surprised by anything I read in that article, including their prices, considering what they spend on hyping their joint on TV.
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06/16/2011 3:38:00 AM
And make sure you're committed to being treated. No excuses.
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06/16/2011 3:38:00 AM
All I can say is there is no cure, and there are no shortcuts. And if you are looking for a treatment center in the LA area that caters to an upscale person make sure they take care of you after treatment.
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Luvn2bfree 06/05/2011 10:32:00 PM
Well I am so Happy that someone also got Chris Prentiss number because truth be know I was in a Friendship with Chris and Pax and I was the one who helped them start the rehab. No one knows my name , but I was Chris confidont in getting the whole thing started. Also I played a very hugh part in getting Pax clean through therapy and was the one who clothed his daughter that they kept hidden in a apartment with a nanny. The name of Passages was suppose to be "THE GRASSHOPPER HOUSE LLC". I still have all the paper work from the attrorney but all he really wanted was my MONEY to start the business. I started to see straight through him even more then he knew. I advised Pax to get from under his fathers control or he would NEVER be able to meet his expectations. Thank God he finally did so and now can stand on his own and represent the rehab the way it should. Chris told me long ago the way to make Money was to get people to believe in his "Horse and Pony Show" and also I Ching everyone you meet to see if they are really for real. When I told him I would not give him all my money he turned into a very ugly Man and demanded I help him. He even offered me his property in Big Sur as good faith but didn't tell me it was already loaned out on to other people. I am very hurt to see him on TV selling a Book that he just put a new cover on of a Book he wrote years before. I know so much about this man and for me the best way to get away from him was to leave the State.
Thank-You for seeing straight through him and I pray someday everyone will also see THE TRUTH!!!! Good luck to Pax and stay REAL.
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Larryeart 05/24/2011 9:41:00 PM
Of course all alcololics PREFER to be cured in 30 days. and they PREFER not having to be in recovery all their lives...and the PREFER not to have to go to group meetings...Everyone PREFERS an easier,softer way. But preferring don't make it true.
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Leview2 05/24/2011 9:37:00 PM
P.T. Barnum said "there's a sucker born every minute". And a con man to fleece you as well. This fleecing is not just about $$$ thought, for addiction KILLS people. Maybe a few familes will sue these fleecers when their loved ones DIE, despite being so-called "cured". Hell has a special place saved for fleecers who kill..
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Alcoholic/addict 05/15/2011 8:09:00 PM
Great article. If their program is so great why do they have to bash AA in order to get people to sign on? The truth is that AA works for those who truly want to get better and have hit bottom. And, it does not cost one cent. If rehab is needed most big cities have free of low cost rehab centers. The HUGE pricetag on their treatment screams out only one thing - MONEY!! I can certainly understand why the moneyed addicts are attracted to the posh venue and the 24/7 attention. Who wouldn't love it! What I would like to see though, are some reliable statistics on the rate of relapse after the Passages treatment. I cannot find that anywhere. So, we have a father/son team charging $67K/month without having any credentials "curing" people. It's not that easy. It takes intense, hard work (not lavish meals, a lavish room, acupuncture, massages, etc) to get well.
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05/10/2011 6:01:00 PM
AA is free and works if the person really want to quit for his or herself. AA is simple and available, No one profits from AA. Service work is freely given by members because it helps them stay sober. The steps are based on trusting a power greater than one's self, in one's own conception of what that power is or may be, cleaning up the wreckage of our past by identified who we have harmed and what defects of character we practice. We are willing to set things right, and continue to be willing, and then we help others by sharing how that by working the steps, our lives are now happy, joyous, and free. When then show them how to do it themselves, which again, helps us. Let's see the Malibu program= give this guy a bunch of money to stay in a resort for a month, or pay nothing and learn that by helping others, removing the real problem, which is me and my selfishness and ego, that I finally can live a life far more rewarding than just not drinking, but actually live as a caring, though not perfect, human being.
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whatgives 04/19/2011 5:13:00 PM
man that's some article.
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T333 03/09/2011 3:26:00 AM
I think that Prentiss is right saying that doctors overmedicate people.
My daughter just spent 4 months at another treatment center in Malibu, at $53.000 per month, and she was so overmedicated that she looked worse when she came back then when she went in. She managed to manipulate the doctors to give her 12 different prescriptions (which are all "non-addictive" according to them) but they were still mind altering. So, when she got out she relapsed on day 2. Now she is homeless and will possibly overdose on heroin any day.
Nobody who is medicated (especially unnecessarily) can do any work on themselves, or learn anything about themselves, anything new, or how to cope with their pain differently, if they are not mentally present, and aware, and are not feeling any emotions, because all their emotions are numbed out with medications. That is no different then using street drugs. The only difference is that the prescription drugs are dispensed "legally" and the government gets part of the deal, instead of your local street dealers. But that is all "OK" and acceptable because it's legal, and because government, pharma, and doctors are all making a huge profit and the law does not apply to them. Overall, most of these people don't give a shit about the person who is actually having a problem, but rather writing up a prescription, easy, fast, and everyone makes money. And a drug addict will not object to that, right?
So, don't get into a fast conclusion that everyone needs to be medicated, most of these people don't. They just don't have the capacity to deal with their pain, and that is how they cope, self medicating, or prescription medicating, but that does not solve a problem in a long run, it just changes the form of addiction.
I would totally consider Prentiss and his approach over anyone elses.
That's just my opinion.
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Watch the commercial- the latest says that "this is not a 12 step program- this works" which would seem to imply that a 12 step program doesn't work and my favorite "I was an addict for 10 years but now I'm not because I've been cured" Ok Pax, now that you've been cured I assume you could take it or leave it like people who don't have addiction or alcoholism. I am a recovered addict/alcoholic. I haven't had the obsession to use or drink in 4 years. I don't ever once believe I am cured, just that I no longer have the obsession, hence recovered rather than "recovering." I also know that since I am not "cured" that I will never be able to drink or use like a normal person. I have to manage my condition every day by treating the underlying conditions of my illness through the 12 steps. I have a higher power that helps me stay sober today, hardly negative reinforcement. By the way, the doctors you speak of that prescribe long-term narcotics for the treatment of addiction are no different than the Prentisses if you ask me in that they are preying upon people who are weak and hopeful and potentially the best "customers" one could find...until you kill them with your "treatment." Go find me one Dr. that believes in adhering to a 12 step program that also believes in prescribing long-term narcotics to an addict. The Prentiss plan is simple- make money off of addicts and alcoholics who are looking for a "permanent fix" to their problem that requires a lot of work and a little money. 1. "be honest"...2. "believe" that you can be restored from a hopeless state of mind and body and thus recover from addiction or alcoholism as long as you "thoroughly follow the path".....that is the only thing you say that I can agree with, except the part that Prentiss lays it out for you- that path was laid out in another book back in 1939.
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Lilaroybean 03/06/2011 1:28:00 PM
A journalist's first responsibility is to remain objective.
I found this article by Mr. Groubert biased and negative
toward Passages and the Prentisses. Shame on you, Sir.
THE ALCOHOL AND ADDICTION CURE by Chris Prentiss
is completely honest and open about their approach to
helping addicts reach cured status and it is absolutely
possible and makes more sense than negative reinforcement.
Then begin interviewing educated, unbiased counselors
and workers in the health care field and ask their opinion
about administering narcotics to someone who is trying to
cleanse their bodies of narcotics and their minds of addiction.
NOT ONE will agree with the administering of drugs (forever) to
an addict; however, many facilities operate on the assumption
that even alcoholics need methadone (an extremely dangerous
drug) to remain sober. Is this not a criminal assumption and
thereby causing the naive to become immersed in a more
serious habit? True rehabilitation results in a clean mind and body,
free of stimulants or depressants.
The foundation for Chris Prentiss's book states that if you
can (1) be honest and in earnest enough to become aware of
why you use drugs (alcohol included) and (2) believe that
there is a cure for you, that you can be cured. It's as honest
and as simple as that. Pure logic. The decision is yours.
The Prentisses show you the path, but is up to you to walk it.
READ THE BOOK.
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It seems pretty obvious Chris Prentiss has a dubious past, is a seasoned con artist and running a high end scam. Period.
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"Hi, I'm Pax Prentiss, author of The Alcoholism and Addiciton Cure, and co-founder of Passages Malibu, the only place that will guarantee you a cure for addiction! All it costs is $19.95 plus shipping and handling (sorry, no COD's or personal checks accepted).
"I'm here to tell you to clear your mind. You're a pragmatic individual. So therefore, why waste time focusing on ideals? How does it benefit you to focus on insignificant issues such as saving the environment, helping the poor or ending social injustice? Let someone else worry about that. After all, you’re only one person—there’s nothing you can do that about those things anyway. So go ahead: focus on yourself instead. Build material wealth. Attain power over others. Enter the ranks of high society. Why shouldn’t the world revolve around you? Hey, we think you knew this already."
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"Hi, I'm Pax Prentiss, author of The Alcoholism and Addiciton Cure, and co-founder of Passages Malibu, the only place that will guarantee you a cure for addiction! All it costs is $19.95 plus shipping and handling (sorry, no COD's or personal checks accepted).
"I'm here to tell you that what you're doing is alright - everybody has a vice! I mean, c'mon. We understand that sometimes, you just need to take a step back from reality. Besides, you work hard. You deserve to enjoy your life! Take a drink. Do a line. It's okay that you spend a little time away from your family. After all, YOUR parents weren't around all the time and yet, YOU turned out alright, didn't you? Exactly - there's no need to feel guilty. So go ahead: tip one back. Snort one up. This is what people do! Hey, we think you knew this already."
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And you are obviously a mouthpiece for Passages. The fact that you're even here shows how desperate and, more importantly, aware Passages are aware that their whole operation is a scam.
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sue 02/14/2011 2:00:00 PM
I'd like to know two things, about passages or any other rehabs for that matter. First, do people leave passages on other prescriptions of psychotropic meditations? There is a growing sentiment in more advanced medicine/philosophy that doing this is simply trading in one chemical dependence for another, all eventually harmful in the long run, one just legalized. Two, for all this money, do they invest in placing or guiding the client into safety and a career path that fits the persons chemically free persoanlaity? Reinstating purpose, goal, direction and talent that so often get lost in the abused/addicted? Hey, Prentisses, if you haven't already and are such great entrepenuers and have the money, why not do the world a real favor and start such a thing.. i can buy that addiction is more of a symptom than a disease in itself...but even so, than what?
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The problem with people who believe in the addiction theory is their well trained western mind does not allow for the knowlege and logical fact that EVERYTHING YOU SAY OR THINK IS TRUE, IE- I'M OUT OF CONTROL, INEED DRUGS AND BOOZE TO COOL OUT, MY LIFE IS IN SHAMBLES BECAUSE OF MOMMY AND DADDY, NOBODY REALLY SEES THE REAL ME, ETC... ALL OF IT, TRUE, TRUE TRUE TRUE!!!!!
When you take responsibility for your thoughts and recognise the power that you weild you will be truly happy, even when "bad things" happen--sorry, sunshine, they're a part of life. You can piss and moan all you want but that will never change. Why not see your life as a game, that's really all it is anyway- in 100 years nobody is going to even know you existed. You don't like that thought do you- there's a starting point- check your ego - let me know how that goes.
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they said it themselves .. they were thieves from the beginning.. they just got bigger and better at it..may God forgive them..
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These 2 Prentiss snake oil salesmen are doing more harm than good in the addicted community by pedaling nonsense their own egos invented. Shame on them for preying on vulnerable people with their lavish so-called cure-all. Make me sick...
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