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L.A. Gangs: Nine Miles and Spreading

More codeless, arbitrary and brutal than ever... and coming to a neighborhood near you

Every yard, doorway, shop and parking lot is the fiefdom of one of Watts’ 65 gangs and their roughly 15,000 hardcore gang members. In that area alone, gang members shoot 500 people a year, and kill 90. Nearly every citizen living there is enjoined by membership or affiliation; those who try to stay out of the life incur their local gang’s wrath, sometimes with fatal consequences. The average American has a 1-in-18,000 chance of being murdered. In this area of Los Angeles, the chances are 1 in 250.

On New Year’s Eve so much automatic weapons fire pours into Watts’ airspace that LAX air traffic control must divert the flight path of incoming planes. The U.S. military sends its medics to train at local trauma hospitals because the conditions in their trauma units so resemble live warfare. At a community meeting I attended in March 2006, LAPD Chief William Bratton declared the Jordan Downs–Nickerson Gardens area “the most violent community in the country. This is now the most dangerous place in America,” he said.

I first visited Nickerson Gardens one night last January, trolling the streets with a Los Angeles Fire Department paramedic captain named Marc Segal. Built in 1955 as temporary housing for military personnel, Nickerson is the largest project west of the Mississippi, with roughly 5,000 residents. Its 1,054 federally subsidized units — which rent for as little as $175 a month — are arranged around parking lots. They are painted institutional white and labeled like cell blocks.

As we neared the project, Segal told me to put on a Kevlar vest. Nickerson Gardens was then in the grips of the lethal gang war that had begun with the Demond Whiting shooting that Christmas Eve.

“The Fire Department used to not get shot at,” he lamented. Now, paramedics are wary of entering the projects without heavy police escort. That means the sick and the wounded sometimes wait a long time for rescue.

“Now tell me if you notice anything strange,” Segal said as we approached Nickerson Gardens. I looked, considered, and then replied, “The fence.”

Nickerson Gardens is partly enclosed by a 7-foot wrought-iron fence topped by sharp spikes, the sort usually meant to keep intruders out. But these spikes stabbed down into the projects; they were there to keep people in. “These people are born in a prison,” Segal said, and then drove quickly with his headlights off.

The street lamps were out, and nearly all the windows were dark. I could make out the silhouettes of people hanging out in doorways, and the glowing cherries of their cigarettes. Later, I learned that most residents of Nickerson Gardens and Jordan Downs keep their lights off at night to avoid becoming targets in drive-by shootings. Segal was relieved when we got out of there. “I probably shouldn’t have done that,” he said.

It wasn’t always this way.?

Originally, L.A.’s street gangs were social and support organizations for immigrants and packs of neighborhood pals. Mostly their crimes were petty, and scores were settled with fists. Latinos and blacks generally stayed out of each other’s way.

All that changed forever in the late 1980s, when crack cocaine hit Los Angeles and neighborhood affiliation became secondary to what all the gangs now really wanted: a piece of the drug business. By then, Colombian cartels, looking to reduce the risk of American prosecution, had transferred the bulk of the trafficking part of the drug business to Mexican and Hispanic-American gangs. Now in control of the cocaine supply, and suddenly flush, many of them squared up into efficient, vertically integrated, multilevel organizations.

“They quickly understood the benefits of economic diversification, and that the real money is in wholesaling drugs coming over the border to other gangs,” Luis Li, a former assistant U.S. attorney and chief of the Department of Justice’s L.A. organized-crime division, told me.

Mexican gang leaders from Los Angeles jailed in Tracy State Prison banded together to retain control of their narcotics business on the street. The Mexican Mafia — or Eme — was born, and has replaced the Cosa Nostra as the most powerful single criminal entity in the country. “They make a big effort to make a business-friendly environment,” Li says. “They are trying to get people in Los Angeles — middle-, upper-middle- and upper-class people — to drive through and buy drugs.”

“But as the war on drugs went into overdrive, and law enforcement had this fixation on crack, it was really seen as a black thing,” a federal prosecutor told me. “Government officials were obsessing about blacks doing crack, but not Hispanics.”

Hispanic gangs weren’t immune from prosecution, the prosecutor told me, but black gangs were seen as more dangerous, their violence more anarchic and lethal to innocent civilians; their communities were seen as being at greater risk than Latino neighborhoods. It virtually became government policy to isolate black gangs.

“Maybe the federal government saw black gangs as a greater threat,” says Lieutenant John P. Sullivan, an intelligence and counterterrorism expert in the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. “Or maybe black gangs were just easier to penetrate.”

The effect on black gangs was a virtual decapitation. With most of their leaders in prison, what little organization there was evaporated and black gangbangers turned on each other and themselves. “Whether targeting black gangs was a good idea,” the prosecutor now wondered, “in retrospect I think it probably wasn’t.”

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  • mary 12/28/2009 6:25:00 PM

    The level of racism and sick ignorance in so many of these comments is shocking, it shows a brutality that is much more scary, disturbing and disgusting than anything written about in this article. the 'blacks' in these gangs want to kill out of their rage, hopelessness and despair. Out of your rage, hopelessness and despair at what you've read about in this article, you want to kill all black people... You are no better than 'they' are. take a look in the mirror.

  • Teresa Perry 03/04/2009 10:19:00 PM

    I am the mother of the 17,year old who was murder,whom this article is focusing on.what happened at my son funeral had anything todo with mr,lances story .he totally wrote this artical falsefied every inch of this story.the people of america falls for the medias bullshit once again. anything these people right you people believe it.i am totally outrage at the commemt that are being written about myself and child,such nasty and mindless comment that you really dont even have a say in,you werent there you see no prove in what the writer say happen at the burial of my beautyful son.sen then and now as i write this comment my live has not been the same.it has cost me privacy,my respect as a mourning mother disrespect to where i have to have fist altercation with people on the street.who do now me where i have drive,live in oder to take care of my little son and self.and for those who didrnt fall for the bull crape thank you my god bless you and your family so that you would never have to go thourgh what i have had to the last couple of years .thank MR LANCE. for makeing my life so fuck UP.aoyj

  • Westsidegirl 07/28/2008 8:30:00 PM

    "I am equally disturbed by the hatred and racism being spewed in the comments section in response to this article. Who are you people? I have a bi-racial son, and if you were to ever come near him and if he were to ever hear what you are saying, I would fucking kill your diseased, racist piece of shit asses. Why is it that on nearly every comments section of an article that deals with race, all of these assholes come out of the woodwork? Do they live in our neighborhoods? The horrors described in this article are beyond reason. L.A. and America have a monumental problem that needs to be addressed. But the scourge of racist morons is destructive and should be fought as well. Seriously, who are you people? Can we just say that all the racist fucks go back to your holes and let the normal people work on the problems of our country? And for all the people who read their comments and let them slide: shame! So to all the racists who posted and to those who are thinking about it: GO FUCK YOURSELVES." AMEN!! Some of these idiots are more destructive than anything !

  • Westsidegirl 07/28/2008 8:22:00 PM

    Hey Dave, You should be deported! You are hopeless!! I

  • Westsidegirl 07/28/2008 8:17:00 PM

    I think the people in Washington should read this article and watch some of the documentaries that are out there on these gangs! America can NOT keep turning it's back on these problems that plague our inner-city neighborhoods accross the country!!!

  • Truthspitter 06/24/2008 11:31:00 AM

    Not the sharpest tools in the shed, most of these people simply aren't intelligent enough to realize there can be more to life than killing each other over turf in a neighborhood that is utter and complete crap anyway. Bottom line is government and the police can only do so much. If people don't want to behave like civilized humans, best thing to do is just let them do their thing and stay out of the way and crack down hard if they bring their act to areas where people actually know how to live.

  • Jamal Reese 06/24/2008 12:42:00 AM

    Black Gangs (Blood, Crips, Piru, Hoovas, Treys, and all the subsets, cliques, crews, and other gangs) UNITE!!! YOUR COMMUNITIES NEED YOU!!!

  • GRAPE STREET CRIP BHK BK 05/29/2008 12:37:00 AM

    fucc bounty huter bk bitch GRAPE STREET BK

  • Brad Hanson (LA TIME JOURNALIS 04/18/2008 11:05:00 AM

    I've been doing some research on all the most convicted killers of Los Angeles hispanic street gangs, and all the data shows that the same gang shows up. For it's size, the Eastside Playboys have about 350-400 active members since 2004, but data shows since 1986 there have been 62 murders commited by the Eastside Playboys street gang.

  • Aslam 03/27/2008 11:33:00 PM

    wo i am amazed on the violonce in compton

  • june 03/06/2008 10:13:00 AM

    dumb ass

  • Miguel Landa 02/06/2008 3:02:00 AM

    the poem crazy bunch barbeque at jefferson park,is a good poem,i like the way he was add soome rythm to the poem,he really talks about how he is thankful that he is like this instead because some other families or individuals have it hareder then him,some other people have a harder time and i liked how willie perdermo described how he was poor but he rather be like that instead of being like some other people.

  • chop 01/24/2008 8:38:00 AM

    i like how the comments section of this article is filled with comments by random fire breathing pitchfork wielding satanic ass crackers talking about "blacks are the scum of the earth!!" like white people had no hand whatsoever on how black america is shaped today... go fuck yourselves.

  • alfonso cotton 01/21/2008 3:09:00 PM

    thank you for sheering this with the public

  • Darnell 01/20/2008 10:44:00 PM

    This article is filled with so much falsified information to say the least. NEVER in the history of San Bernardino city area gangs has the ever been any damn Bounty Hunters Watts "San Bernardino chapter". This article is poorly written and filled with questionable statements that you as the original writer should have taken time to see if there was actual facts and truth behind the ignorant statements you made. For your information San Bernardino city is 45 minutes to an hour outside Los Angeles and has been a community in dispair, anguish, violence and poverty many years before your so called statement of being just another "one of LA's bedroom communities". San Bernardino gangs have fought in coming Los Angeles gangs for years and years, and welcome no outside gangs whatsoever. The gang culture in SB dates back generations. Next time try to get your facts correct before you write these ignorant statements and ideas out of thin air.

  • viv 01/07/2008 10:00:00 PM

    It seems to me that your not a mexican nor black.You should of not gone there with the 2 mexican grave diggers, when you could of said just 2 workers.You just want to see more violence in our streets or what? I guess because I'am in the buisnes of saving life's not killing. Havent you heard of only GOD can judge? GOD BLESS YOU.

  • Jeff Robertson 01/01/2008 1:26:00 AM

    I deplore the anti-black comments found above. One wonders how widespread such attitudes are. I suspect that groups spouting such beliefs will find growing support among frustrated law-abiding folks, just as we see growing support for neo-Nazis in Europe, who are the most visible (if not the only) groups opposing to the growing Muslim immigration with its attendant problems. If mainstream politics won't address the central issue in people's lives (and the lack of security caused by these groups is central to anyone in contact with them) those people will turn to the fringes.

  • Jim Roberts 12/24/2007 5:12:00 AM

    Peter Landesmans article is an exceptionally fine example of field reporting. Without exaggeration, it is Pulitzer quality journalism. Please give us more from Mr. Landesman.

  • anarchore 12/22/2007 10:26:00 PM

    This shows that negroes don't belong in white countries. For God's sake, give them a part of the US for their own country. This is how the NWO wins, divide and conquer with minorities as their terroristic footsoldiers.

  • Celtic 12/22/2007 2:39:00 AM

    When in Congressional hearings about changing our immigration laws in the 40s and 50s the American Jewish Committee and the American Jewish Congress both testifed that "DIVERSITY IS OUR GREATEST STRENGTH" Well I think they were wrong. Brazil with NUKES. EVERYBODY is going to have to be in some gang or other in another 10 years

  • jason c 12/20/2007 6:24:00 AM

    excellent journalism. thanks.

  • MUHAMMAD ABDULLAH 12/20/2007 1:34:00 AM

    in the name of allah-the beneficent-the merciful:say:he,allah is one.allah is he on whom all depend.he begets not,nor is he begoten.and none is like him.[qur'an:112]" anything that happens in politics you can rest assured that it was planned." [president franklin d,roosevelt].inherent in the political,social and political structure of american society is genocide for non european people.in the " black scholar " in 1989 it was reported "by the year 2000 705 of all black males will be incarcerated."in the "fresno bee " in august 1985 it was reported " that black children are guaranteed poverty." how can you guarantee someone poverty unless it and you planned it ? dr.carter g.woodson wrote in the 1930's the book "the miseducation of the negro." as comrade george jackson said in his book " soledad brother" or " blood in my eye." some of these negroes fate is of their own choosing." allah ta ala say's in the qur'an: " he will not change the condition of a people until they first change the condition of themselves in their heart."the prophet muhammad ibn abdullah [pbuh]said:" none of you truly believe until you love for your brother and sister what you love for yourself."whatever i can do to make a positive chane to help anyone i am available 24/7.taif'tul'islam-p.o.box 338-compton,ca.90223

  • LA Weekly Reader 12/19/2007 11:45:00 AM

    Can't stop Won't Stop.

  • Crystal Marie 12/19/2007 4:16:00 AM

    I work in Watts. I believe that Watts many flaws that don't make it the safest place in the world. However, Watts also has a rich community of families, stakeholders, and other people that sincerely care about and invest in the city. Someone should write an article about that.

  • LA Weekly Reader 12/19/2007 3:38:00 AM

    To Editors of Conscience, I was completely stunned to see the cover of the latest weekly, and could hardly believe my eyes. What a directly inciteful and racially polarizing cover this is: seemingly intended to create fear and distrust of our black neighbors. What could your intention possibly be here? I can't think how you could possibly undo this appalling harm, but could possibly mitigate it by publishing a cover story about the pervasive, consistent, imbalance of justice and sentencing as well as exclusion that has been the daily reality of our black friends, while millions and billions are bilked from citizens by white collar criminals who go unpunished, or are are minimally curtailed...or any other article that highlights the daily contributions made by so many caring black people despite the ongoing systemic bias against them. Please take this heart and retrieve some semblance of fairness, to say nothing of kindness and inclusion this holiday season. Sincerely, Dela Erickson 323 938-8573

  • Tom 12/19/2007 1:43:00 AM

    I agree with the last comments by HMan , we have to start somewhere and that place for the last 45 years is Verbum Dei High School www.verbumdei.us

  • HMan 12/19/2007 1:42:00 AM

    Los Angeles simply has to become involved in shaping its future and not leaving it up to others or out-of-towners. That will not happen. You need to be in South and East LA or problems spots in the Valley running after-school programs and interventions if you really care. We've allowed impoverished, racially-isolated ghettos to flourish in skid row and South Angeles, keeping them invisible for too long and we now struggle to understand 'how we let this happen?' In reality, there seems to be no concern, just sensation. South Los Angeles is simply ignored by the mainstream in Los Angeles and very few above the Pico line knows what it even looks like. It would be nice to read encouraging articles about the people who are running recovery programs on Skid Row or are having success with at-risk youth in L.A. I've taught in some of LA's most violent gang neighborhoods, and the communities are full of concerned, honest families and great kids doing their best to escape the pressures of gang life and the surrounding violence and chaos. I don't imagine that any of the readers beating their chests about water-boarding these kids understand what it is to be 12-years old and take the bus home every night to a group of thugs surrounding you and demanding to know where you live and wanting to beat your ass for giving or not giving an answer. I'd probably form a crew or pack a pistol for protection eventually too. The answer lies in connecting these kids to Los Angeles so they feel part of it, so they feel open to its wealth and opportunities. One of the U.S.' richest cities in its richest state should not be ignoring its future generation--whether it be for class, race or culture issues. So many bright kids in impoverished neighborhoods tell me they envision a life selling drugs and dying before they're adults. The solution to the gang problem is not torturing these hopeless kids, but giving them alternatives they can thrive in.

  • JB 12/19/2007 1:27:00 AM

    And lastly I would like to say "Peace on Earth, goodwill to men" It's the season and I think this is what we all need including the gangsters written of in this story,as montrous as they are reported to act they are still our fellow humans who dwell on this planet with us and frankly I think is their (and our) only hope.

  • JB 12/19/2007 12:24:00 AM

    Elizabeth, You wrote �As a Black person, I beg America to please stop supporting the things that allow my community to rationalize their actions. Please stop supporting Hip Hop and entertainment that Highlights these activities. Though these perpetrators use a barrier of drugs and alcohol to numb their actions, as the article stated their actions are becoming even more "bold", because they are being idolized through this culture.� You are absolutely right and I really cannot believe some of the things that have been celebrated in the Hip Hop world and other areas of entertainment. Who would have thought that it would suddenly become hip to glorify random murder, using women as sex slaves (�Hos�), etc. When you think about it is really outrageous. Even worse is that the black community had been fighting for so may years to be treated with respect and moral dignity in this country and then you had these amoral people promoting this? How could this have happened? I agree with you the ones supporting this sort of entertainment are every bit as bad and perhaps in many cases worse (as they may have had a more privileged life so they are even without any excuse). But as far as such media causing problems through emulation and pride in gang life and criminality, it has not just set a bad example for the youth in America. This lifestyle is being glorified and copied by youth around the world - you hear of gangs or rebels in Africa idolizing American rap stars or just the other day I was looking at a picture of Namache bazaar (an area near the base camp of Everest in Nepal) with a Sherpa wearing a Tupak shirt (not that everything Tupak wrote was celebrating gang life but I think you get my point). In a place as isolated as Nepal you have pop rap stars waving American gang hand symbols in their own homegrown rap videos. Amazing! Around the world we have youth emulating this gangster life. It is truly sad!!

  • JB 12/18/2007 11:54:00 PM

    JP, Of course it is not all "illegals" committing these crimes but as we already have plenty of our own homegrown gangsters and criminals why not make sure we don't have more coming over? Send those that are illegal residents back to their own home countries as soon as they are caught committing such crimes and for that matter we can also send legal resident immigrants (greencard holders) back (ASAP) if they are caught committing such serious crimes (we already have laws on the books that enable us to do this and they should be followed every time when we are considering such criminality) . I think this is what concerns people. We don�t need to import more criminals - we already have an extremely large criminal problem.

  • JB 12/18/2007 11:53:00 PM

    Yes, I agree these gangs are homegrown terrorists. I have said for a long time. However why does this have to be a race issue - this is a people issue - people terrorizing and killing each other and for those that are on this forum that think that "whites" don't display such horrific behavior please do read your history books again - lets start with the most recent events in Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Europe during the two World Wars, massive rapes by the Russian army in WW2, aside from slavery in the US how about just some of the sufferings in the Civil War such as Sherman's march through Atlanta, How about the Congo under rein of King Leopold - the chopping off of one's hands for those not so keen to work as a virtual slave. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3516965.stm Look brutality is not limited to anyone race. Why focus on race? Let us focus on behavior and this behavior must be stopped or it will take over the whole country. Yes we do have our own homegrown terrorists and for every gang member that is terrorizing these neighborhoods I am sure there are plenty of poor innocent people that have to live under their thumb. It has come to the point where an individual in a neighborhood cannot stand up to them alone - they will just end up murdered most likely (as one Pico Rivera lady recently did who had the "audacity" to honk her horn ,at a tagger demanding him to stop his graffiti.) No, it is time our government put a stop to these "terrorists" otherwise someday we will have a situation like Afghanistan where the warlords ruled over everything.

  • Lovely Day 12/18/2007 7:22:00 PM

    The rise of gang violence in L.A. can be attributed to the trafficking of drugs. That was one of the issues in the Iran/Contra scandal of the 80s. The money to fund the Contras was raised through the sale of drugs here, in the U.S. via Freeway Rick and his association with the CIA. I propose that the CIA step in and clean up the mess that they made. Stop believing that if you're white or if you live in a suburb that the problem won't have an impact on you. It does and your children are attracted to the "lifestyle" that they believe is associated with urban living via television. Plus, if there's money to made from drugs or killing people you will never ever get me to believe that black people love money more than any other race in this country. It is already happening with meth labs in suburbia. To address the other issues raised. No, I don't want these thugs in the U.S. armed forces! Have you lost your mind?! Do you want them to become more proficient assasins and dealers?? My only issue with the article though is that not every African American has a family member who is a part of a gang. I grew up in South Central L.A. and so did my cousins who are a few years older than me. They are a part of the blue collar middle class or have a college education (including me) but none of them have sent their children to the schools that we attended. My cousins' children attend private school or they live outside of L.A. and San Bernandino counties. I'll write it again. The CIA started this mess, they need to clean it up!

  • Tom 12/18/2007 3:50:00 AM

    It is not hopeless, Verbum Dei High School, which shares a property line with Nickerson Gardens, is a place to start to make a difference in the community. If you want to help here is the school website. verbumdei.us

  • LA Weekly Reader 12/18/2007 3:38:00 AM

    Hard to believe

  • steve 12/18/2007 1:30:00 AM

    difficult to comprehend

  • Captain America 12/18/2007 1:30:00 AM

    Send Them back to Africa Send Them back to Latin America Send them Back to Asia "Hell" I need to "Send my ASS back to where ever the "F#ck" I'm from also... Only the Native Americans belong here...

  • Imagine 12/18/2007 1:22:00 AM

    Imagine if we used All those billions of dollars we r wasting in the war to help our kids here in the US. that would make a big change. Tax payer money going to waste...

  • Omar 12/18/2007 12:51:00 AM

    My people are lost. Our fathers are gone. This is inner genocide...we have failed ourselves

  • sleeping giant 12/18/2007 12:03:00 AM

    Welcome to America...Wow! All you racists should show ur faces... Look at the mirror. We r all at fault, America started with invasion, immagration, slavery, suppression, ignorance, scapegoating etc... The FACT is this, the problem is not going no where, so deal with it... either we all help our brothers and sisters (regardless of race or economic status), in order to get people educated, jobs, proactive in our country or we turn or cheek the other way until the problem come knocking at ur door.

  • D 12/17/2007 11:41:00 PM

    As a child of the '80's, growing up the L.A area when the gangs were really growing and the violence taking off, I am still astoundend every day by what we are seeing now. I have been working in Watts for the past ten years with many of the people living in the Nickersons,the J Downs, Pueblos ect...My heart is there being from the neighborhood. It's sad and "we" (those that made it out, went to school, got jobs and know a better way of life) have to do more.

  • rubysatellite 12/17/2007 10:05:00 PM

    The author should read 'Folk Devils and Moral Panics' by Stanley Cohen, or anything by Stuart Hall to understand the violent youth narrative he is perpetuating. No doubt the gang issue is serious and complex, but whenever I hear MTV & rap music blamed for violence or the claim that it is more dangerous now than it has ever been, I know the author needs some background. Its a shame because their seems to be some excellent work done here, its just framed in panic.

  • LA Weekly Reader 12/17/2007 8:58:00 PM

    asdf

  • mmm 12/17/2007 6:19:00 PM

    pointless

  • JP, San Gabriel, CA 12/17/2007 8:24:00 AM

    The poor and working poor in this ghetto is a reflection of the bigger issues facing our nation. Those of you who want to blame "illegals" for gangs and violence are ignorant and uninformed. Also, Los Angeles is the largest city in the USA and what we see and hear of here will and is happening (or will increase) in other communites throughout the USA as they grow-cities need the working poor to work at McDonalds, Starbucks Subway, etc.) who live in the barrios and ghettos. The poor are, are due (for the most part) to the system. Furhtermore, there are very few who truely "care" about those less fortunate in our country. In regards to caring: I don't mean just donating $ to your charities and/or local church either. Many say they care but just give lip service.

  • dk 12/17/2007 3:59:00 AM

    good article

  • VNHS Teacher 12/16/2007 7:49:00 PM

    The Comments section in response to this article is far scarier than the article itself. What does that mean? Maybe it's the nature of "Comments" sections generally to attract the most emotional, irrational and vitriolic responses conceivable. Sad. Presumably, hopefully, cooler heads will prevail. Isn't that, maybe, ultimately, the moral here?

  • LA Weekly Reader 12/16/2007 7:49:00 PM

    ttt

  • walt235 12/16/2007 1:09:00 PM

    $1 1/2 trillion wasted on these animals since the 1960's and they are worse off than ever! Blacks are subhuman animals and should not be allowed to breed! Welfare should be stopped immediately as well. Bring back the good old fashioned lynching and things will calm down after enough of these apes become strange fruit! It's the only thing the beasts understand!

  • AdonisFlower 12/16/2007 9:27:00 AM

    years ago the mexicans scare people in my neighborhood by lighting match and say if we report them to police they set fire. they are like, 'what you going to do about it' i wish there was secret police make them disappear! take them in a van and throw them in the garbage. They do not deserve to be free on the street to hurt people who try to do business honestly. It is this type of people that deserve to be put in slave. even the smart ones that try to be more white want to get more there people like that into america. I think only road for whites is like Nazi party and only path of blacks is nation of Islam] If they do not organize like that and become strong against mexicans they destroy this beautiful country

  • LA Weekly Reader 12/16/2007 8:10:00 AM

    how do i read comments!

  • Elizabeth 12/16/2007 7:22:00 AM

    As a Black person, I beg America to please stop supporting the things that allow my community to rationalize their actions. Please stop supporting Hip Hop and entertainment that Highlights these activities. Though these perpetrators use a barrier of drugs and alcohol to numb their actions, as the article stated their actions are becoming even more "bold", because they are being idolized through this culture. They feel a sense of being represented by the "rich" and "powerful", due to the sucesses of those that make a fortune highlighting this lifestyle, in turn they do not shy away from openly adhering to this lifestyle. It becomes a badge of honor. Print this story and allow your children to read it and make sure they understand that their being supportive in this culture will eventually grip and penetrate their communities, lives, and families. You cannot support NEGATIVITY, I am always shocked and appalled when I think of how White America, has welcomed the negativity of our culture. It will touch you in the end I promise you.

  • Fluffs 12/16/2007 7:01:00 AM

    I am equally disturbed by the hatred and racism being spewed in the comments section in response to this article. Who are you people? I have a bi-racial son, and if you were to ever come near him and if he were to ever hear what you are saying, I would fucking kill your diseased, racist piece of shit asses. Why is it that on nearly every comments section of an article that deals with race, all of these assholes come out of the woodwork? Do they live in our neighborhoods? The horrors described in this article are beyond reason. L.A. and America have a monumental problem that needs to be addressed. But the scourge of racist morons is destructive and should be fought as well. Seriously, who are you people? Can we just say that all the racist fucks go back to your holes and let the normal people work on the problems of our country? And for all the people who read their comments and let them slide: shame! So to all the racists who posted and to those who are thinking about it: GO FUCK YOURSELVES.

  • Beth 12/16/2007 6:59:00 AM

    WE

  • LA Weekly Reader 12/16/2007 12:55:00 AM

    We need to save Watts before we save Darfur.

  • Rpche88 12/16/2007 12:11:00 AM

    That's why they call it Niggers and Gardens.

  • RMN 12/16/2007 12:03:00 AM

    That article was extremely sad, scary, and most of all enraging. It makes me ashamed of the United States, it makes me want to never set foot in Los Angeles again, and it makes me wish these nihilistic, amoral, violent fools would be wiped out. They are, as parts of the article suggested, terror cells within the United States, and as another part alluded to, rebel armies like one sees in parts of Africa. Nothing will solve this problem except elimination--elimination of the projects, the ethical system (or lack thereof), and those who are too deeply ingrained in that lifestyle to change.

  • Ms. Randi Scott 12/15/2007 11:54:00 PM

    I sure as hell hope it's not tax money or any sort of public money paying for Whiting's hospitalization, but I'll bet it is.

  • Ryan M. 12/15/2007 11:17:00 PM

    Great reporting. Makes me scared, glad I don't live in L.A., and now will keep an eye out in my neighborhood, too. There don't seem to be any good answers. Perhaps if people just stopped using drugs, it would cut off a huge source of income and rational the gangs have for existing.

  • G K 12/15/2007 9:06:00 PM

    There is an answer in science for what is happening here. We know that this kind of behavior cannot be fixed. It is a result of a mean intelligence level too low to maintain civil society, and we have created this situation by providing an economic incentive for women of very low ability to have children in the form of ADFC. Ironically, affirmative action has efficiently extracted brigher blacks out of black neighborhoods, leaving none but the least capable behind to victimize each other and anyone unlucky enough to fall in their path. Blacks commit violent crime on whites approximately forty times more often than the reverse. I refuse to be categorized as the victimizer anymore when I am both the physically victimized group, and the group footing the bill financially for all this failure. Point at another group of people other than white American males who have created laws that deliberately handicap themselves with respect to another group. We are not victimizers, we're practically saints by any real-world measure (which means comparing us to anybody else who actually exists or has existed). We need to start paying people who have very low ability to NOT have children, to create the opposite pressure that we have been creating for the last fifty plus years. It is a depressing step to have to take, but it's preferable to what we are doing now, which is locking up the majority of the men in a demographic group to keep them from tearing our civilization apart, while simultaneously paying the females to have more kids to live miserable, pointless lives. It is soft-hearted (and soft-headed) "reformers" who have caused this horrible disaster and though they lack the moral and intellectual courage to own that fact, the rest of us need to seize the reigns from them and begin to rectify this problem before it is too late. What we are doing now is unconscionable, and the level of violence and misery that is created simply to avoid disabusing the sensibilities of wealthy liberals is sick beyond words.

  • Gaius Juluis Caesar 12/15/2007 8:43:00 PM

    This story is full of mis statements. These gangs have been at war since the late 60's and early 70's. This new generation is just repeating the cycle and it will continue as long as you keep the projects alive. Kill the projects and the gangs are eliminated. Simple solution to a complex problem.

  • Roger Beesley 12/15/2007 8:07:00 PM

    Well, look on the bright side; we are spending billions to help the Iraqis. This is what many sociologists call "re-primitivisation" of man. It results from breakdown of (particularly) black society, the breakdown is caused by the realisation that they can never truly integrate into "white" society because they have very low IQ (black average-85). We have to buildmore prisons and incarcerate these people permanently. Congratulations to George Bush, he is the "illegal immigration" president and as such is the man most responsible for the destruction of civilised American society.

  • John 12/15/2007 7:45:00 PM

    How come the race pimps Sharpton and Jackson never visit these hoods? As one poster stated: "we shoulda picked our own cotton."

  • A White Man 12/15/2007 7:42:00 PM

    Here's how to fix this. Tell the nigs that they got some free money but have to pick up the check on the Sarangeti Plain. Give them a one-way ticket and call it Reparation and Repatriation! Off to the motherland to find they roots and shit. PS: Nigs, tell us how it works out for ya.

  • JRex 12/15/2007 7:03:00 PM

    We need to come to terms with the fact that they are not human, their vermin. Like they did in Malaysia, they went hourse to house, street to street, block by block and shot them down. Exterminate them all, shoot them on sight, no exceptions.

  • William A. Payne III 12/15/2007 6:53:00 PM

    The people have no answer to the problem or understand why they do what they do. THE ANSWER IS SPIRITUAL.

  • Quaqmire Griffin 12/15/2007 6:49:00 PM

    lalalla

  • Lynn 12/15/2007 6:44:00 PM

    I have sympathy for the trees that try to grow in those neighborhoods. Trees are far more human.

  • Hal Dononue 12/15/2007 6:28:00 PM

    I keep waiting for some nigs to post here defending their scumbaggery but then I remembered that they drop out of school in the 3rd grade to sell crack and kill people.

  • sum dumf 12/15/2007 6:12:00 PM

    wow

  • Conn 12/15/2007 6:11:00 PM

    What really sucks is that Marcus Garvey wanted to take ALL of the niggers back to Africa after the Civil War but whites failed to donate enough cash. Is it too late to donate now? How much will it cost per nigger? Count me in for a 1000 bucks.

  • Conan 12/15/2007 5:57:00 PM

    joemash, you forgot to include the Dhimmicratis induced War on Poverty that has spent TEN TRILLION dollars and created MORE lazy niggers than it EVER sent to work!

  • weary 12/15/2007 5:53:00 PM

    Grape Street Crip Ronny Pugh has it right, but is limited in his scope. I wish someone could take an even bigger can of "roach-spray" (an appropriate metaphor) and use it on every gangbanger in the USA.

  • LA Weekly Reader 12/15/2007 5:53:00 PM

    Live by the sword, die by the sword. They know what they are doing, wall it off and let them kill each other off...

  • A White Man 12/15/2007 5:49:00 PM

    Can anyone explain how the Dummycrats have helped blacks since 1865? Yet blacks SLAVISHLY vote for them. Blacks will continue to blame anything and everyone but themselves and instead, turn to race pimps like Sharpton and Jackson instead of getting a life.

  • joemash 12/15/2007 5:39:00 PM

    This is what I learned. If I�m wrong correct me. Negroes came here as slaves with all that that entails � slavery. They became �free� but still were marginalized, mistreated, hung. Ku Klux Klan. The great industrialization of the North brought them there to live in separate neighborhoods. Blamed for taking away jobs from the Whites of European ancestry. Throughout all this, they remained a strong family unit guided by the women � mothers and wives, hard working husbands and fathers. Then came welfare. The projects. Special Ed. Bad schooling. Loss of industrial manual labor as our economy changed. The destruction of the family unit. And then came Crack cocaine. Crack was invented because powder cocaine was too expensive for the masses, Black ghettos. Money. Women. Power. Guns. Then came the never-ending War on Drugs. In the article you read about the drug warriors and how they acted like gangs themselves. Nothing starts from nothing. Read about the Mena Airport, Iran-Contra, cocaine imported and sold for money to buy guns. San Jose Mercury News �Dark Alliance�: The newspaper asserted that members of the CIA's army in Nicaragua helped spark a crack cocaine explosion in urban America in the 1980s. The report said two Nicaraguans, Danilo Blandon and Norwin Meneses, sold tons of cocaine to Los Angeles drug dealer Ricky Ross. The articles said Blandon and Meneses funneled millions of dollars in profits to CIA-backed rebels fighting the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua. And the crack cocaine �epidemic� was born. And we are still reaping the results as identified in this article.

  • White Slaver 1800's 12/15/2007 5:27:00 PM

    Dear white people of America. Sorry for inflicting the nigger virus on you. America would have been a paradise on Earth if we just would have picked our own cotton. Signed Damn Sorry

  • Will Smith 12/15/2007 5:24:00 PM

    I be's lubbin dat rap musik n I be's toting my gat to make me a bad ass mofacker. Please don sens me bak to afrikka! They gots way two many niggas der. Shubba Lumba Mubba Ba Big an.

  • a 12/15/2007 5:22:00 PM

    abc

  • Arnold 12/15/2007 5:17:00 PM

    "How many more whites must die before our "leaders" start to broach the topic of forced deportation of these beasts to Africa?. I curse our forefathers who brought these animals over every single day!" Absolutely correct. You can take the nigger out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the nigger. NUKE LA!

  • Margery 12/15/2007 5:12:00 PM

    I live in a relatively small city in the Northeast, close to Boston. We now have a gang problem, something that not in our wildest dreams would our city have even thought would happen to us. Drugs and guns are periodically shown in pictures of our local paper, confiscated by our police force. I've finally stopped believing that all these criminal people need to do is belong to the Girls and Boys Club and their lives will turn out normal. What is the saying> a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. Well, my city is being mugged and I'm now a conservative.

  • Bobc 12/15/2007 5:09:00 PM

    Sad that US citizens have to put up with this! A direct result from turning one's back on the laws of our land, too many times!

  • Conan 12/15/2007 5:05:00 PM

    Nigs killing Nigs? Where's the downside?

  • Steve Teagan 12/15/2007 4:59:00 PM

    I left the L.A. area to retire after working 15 years at U.C.L.A. The fellow at the rental place where I got my trailer said for the first time he was seeing more trailers going east than coming west. Good people will continue to evacuate the gang-infested areas until the only ones left are the 'bangers.

  • Rich 12/15/2007 4:53:00 PM

    This story is very, very sad. Clearly the gang members deserve the blame for what they are doing. That having been said, however, it seems like a lot of these problems could be fixed by changes in federal policy. (i) The gang members are spreading out of LA due to pressure from Latino immigrants. Could the government be doing anything more to secure the borders? (ii) The gangs are fueled by the drug business. Why not end the war on drugs as Ron Paul has suggested? There was a time when you could buy cocaine over-the-counter in drug stores and there was no such violence. And finally, (iii) I can't help but bring up Gary Webb's much-maligned but never-debunked research showing that the crack epidemic was actually started by the CIA as it sought to find new sources of funding for its dirty business.

  • sue ellen 12/15/2007 4:53:00 PM

    who cares...let them all kill each other.they are the scum of the earth.

  • Mmoore 12/15/2007 4:40:00 PM

    I posted earlier and it never made it. This is like Lord of the Rings, and the Orks are out of control. To summarize what I posted earlier, the 1 trillion George spent in Iraq could have better spent in America. Let them show us how well Gun Control works in LA first before they ask the rest of us to be victims. Its not just black gangs that are a disease in America. Someone posted here earlier about Marshall Law, this kinda crap will surely bring it about! Please don't be idiots here folks, the Koreans showed us how to protect their own in LA. Citizens that banded together in New Orleans showed us how to protect themselves. Don't expect the law to save our sorry asses!

  • chris 12/15/2007 4:34:00 PM

    ?

  • LA Weekly Reader 12/15/2007 4:27:00 PM

    mm

  • Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchino 12/15/2007 4:15:00 PM

    'Agrippa', above, speaks the truth. This article describes the lower element employed in the Pincers Strategy. But the upper element, pouffie Elites who direct this evil charade, are worthy of yet closer scrutiny. Elites create pressure from above by legislating chaos - the pressure from below, as Communists describe the Pincers Strategy. We know the bottom half of the equation. To better understand where matters are headed, study the upper half. Many of us well remember these Elites from the 60's. They were all over the student lounges and campus quadrangles - like dog doot. Fanning their halitosis at anyone within earshot, preaching revolution, while awaiting a ride home in the family limousine. Fake, phoney revolutionaries then, today they're our BigBiz/BigGov cheaszes - and revolutionaries still. Yeah, they love their Revolution. They may yet discover, to their chagrin, the Revolution does not love them. Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchino Manasota Key, Florida 15 December, 2007

  • EWM 12/15/2007 4:09:00 PM

    And what is the NAACP's position on all the drugs and violence??? They've been busy fighting to REDUCE the penalties for dealing CRACK, and to make the new reduced penalties retroactive, so that 19,500 drug dealers and users can be released early from prison and returned to their communities. You see, this article is shining light on a non-problem. It's not gangs,drugs, or violence that are the problem in the black community. It's RACISM by the white man, that is the only problem facing blacks. Just keep repeating that, you'll catch on eventually!

  • Ricardo 12/15/2007 4:02:00 PM

    One serious and major drawback of illegal immigration! What are the Demcorats and Amnesty (aka guest worker program) idiots thinking about? Nothing, apparently.Close th eborders now. Expel all the thugs and potantial criminals. Imprison the rest. Put gang memebrs away for good. Eventually we will get our country back.

  • mike 12/15/2007 3:52:00 PM

    Fence the city in and let 'em go at it. Lock up whoever remains.

  • dave 12/15/2007 3:39:00 PM

    How many more whites must die before our "leaders" start to broach the topic of forced deportation of these beasts to Africa?. I curse our forefathers who brought these animals over every single day!.

  • Mmoore 12/15/2007 3:37:00 PM

    U have to post to read comments?

  • Khalid Matar 12/15/2007 3:09:00 PM

    The primary problem with gangbangers is that they are not killing each other fast enough. They are like rabid dogs and need to be destroyed. There are kids who come out of those same neighborhoods who do not become gangbangers. It is all about making choices and accepting consequences.

  • Michael 12/15/2007 1:52:00 PM

    The black gangs are so stupid! While they are busy killing each other, the Mexicans are taking over the whole area.

  • Agrippa 12/15/2007 1:01:00 PM

    ***And unlike other categories of crime, gangs and gang-related crime are spreading to formerly safe middle-class communities, or, �to a neighborhood near you,� says the report�s author, civil rights attorney Constance Rice. **** Well the above statement makes this problem sound like a mysterious wind that blows from where no-one knows. Section 8 welfare black relocation programs through the subprime loan market has enabled these people to borrow government back money to move into our neighborhoods. They neither deserve or belong in middle class neighborhoods because they didn't earn the right to be there. The ghetto isn't a place folks...the ghetto is people, and they carry it around with them wherever they go. The lousy politicians keep feeding and breeding the most worthless segment of our society to do exactly this. The elites want anarchy and civil strife in America, so thet eventually they can declare a state of emergency and drop our collective rights into the dustbin of history. There has never been a communist government that has come into power without a civil war. Never, and the Harvard, Princeton, Kennedy School of Government crowd know that rule. They have excellent educations unlike most of the unwashed masses in America. This is intentional and it is not the only front American citizens are being attacked from. If one thing doesn't get their desired state of emergency then another will. It is time for everyone to start paying attention and educate themselves. I suggest reading Tsun Tzu's "Art of War", and "The Prince" by Machiavelli to begin your education in real politik.

  • hank578 12/15/2007 12:51:00 PM

    I guess to be in the Crips you have to get Cripled ?

  • Neal 12/15/2007 12:27:00 PM

    Simply unbelievable

  • Niggermania.org 12/15/2007 11:51:00 AM

    This is just TNB, it's the same the world over wherever you find nlggers. www dot NlGGERMANIA dot ORG Where humans of all races and religions are welcome, but no nlggers allowed! :)

 

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